Anyone with Pedders bushings all the way around?

[Blendzol]

I had all my bushings replaced with pedders and had the front and back shocks and springs changed to theirs too. The ride is OEM level and every time I go over a speed bump or a dip there is this loud creaking noise from the front. I have taken it back and was told that they will regrease the bushings but the prob is still there. Went back again and was told that it is not the bushings but the Hydraulic fluid in the front dampners????!!! Is this possible? I've never heard of such bull**** to be honest. I even spoke to their west coast rep and he says it is the fluid in the shocks. Any one experiencing the same? I also have hotchkis front sway bar and have regreased the bushings but the noise is still there. The sway never made a noise and now with the pedders crap on there the rep and the installer blame everything in the book but their bushings. DON'T BELIEVE THE BULL**** THEY ARE SLINGING RE: THEIR SUSPENSION. IT'S ****!!!!!! MY CAR RAN BETTER BEFORE ALL THIS... If anyone else is experiencing the creaking noise please let me know. Thank you

[Redfox0099]

Hey, you need to contact Mike White 248-522-8165

mike.white@peddersusa.com He helped me get my car ready for SEMA and did a damm fine job of it

[Super T]

First problem w/ creaking I've read... say what you will about their pricing but their quality is pretty up there. Who did your install???

[dudeiwin86]

yea seriously, who installed it?

hotchkis sways are known to be a huge noisy PITA from what i ive heard.

[Super T]

yea seriously, who installed it?

hotchkis sways are known to be a huge noisy PITA from what i ive heard.

Put them on both of my Magnums, neither one made a peep...

[formerice]

I've got all Pedders bushings , but Hotchkis sways and SRT 8 shocks and struts. I drilled out the front Hotchkis bushings and put in zerk grease fittings like the rear ones have. As long as I grease the sway bar bushings at every oil change, no problem. No complaints with the Pedders, the car handles like it's on rails. The rear SRT Nivos are pretty firm, but I can live with them. Sorry your not happy.

[Rob@WretchedMS]

I had all my bushings replaced with pedders and had the front and back shocks and springs changed to theirs too. The ride is OEM level and every time I go over a speed bump or a dip there is this loud creaking noise from the front. I have taken it back and was told that they will regrease the bushings but the prob is still there. Went back again and was told that it is not the bushings but the Hydraulic fluid in the front dampners????!!! Is this possible? I've never heard of such bull**** to be honest. I even spoke to their west coast rep and he says it is the fluid in the shocks. Any one experiencing the same? I also have hotchkis front sway bar and have regreased the bushings but the noise is still there. The sway never made a noise and now with the pedders crap on there the rep and the installer blame everything in the book but their bushings. DON'T BELIEVE THE BULL**** THEY ARE SLINGING RE: THEIR SUSPENSION. IT'S ****!!!!!! MY CAR RAN BETTER BEFORE ALL THIS... If anyone else is experiencing the creaking noise please let me know. Thank you

Well, before we go throwing Pedders under the bus, The first couple of LX's we did we got a bit of noise from the upper control arm bushings, as we lubed them as we would a GTO bushing, but these are different and require more lube. With that said, I've gotten more noise from the Hotchkis sway bars than anything else.

The shocks should not squeak either, so if it is a shock that is making noise it will be covered under warranty.

Can you PM me info on who did the installation, and who you have talked to?

again, please don't jump all over Pedders, our products work as advertised, and we need to get to the bottom of your noise.

[Trojan]

My car works like a champ with 42 bushings replaced on it from Pedders.

[dms motorsport]

the poster went to the dealer to have things re-inspected at Mike Haddads in LA. He also had a complaint and told us that the lower control arm bushings were moving 1/2 inch. this seriously concerned me. So Mike checked the car out personally and with the poster. The poster could not duplicate any movement. Mike Haddad roadtested with the customer for some time. The only noise that they could duplicate was taking speed bumps and the only noise that Mike heard with the customer was the sound of fluid movement in the shocks. It was barely noticeable. With the suspension hydraulic noise, I took my personal car out and heard the swishing noise.

So Mike did what he could. Roadtested with the customer and had the customer try and duplicate the looseness he called me on when I was on vacation in Yosemite. And the poster could not duplicate any looseness. Mike did check to see if all the bolts were tight and everything was.

So I am at a loss to know how to assist you. We may have to wait for the next time Pete or myself go to any of the events.

Now one thing we do know about is the weak upper strut bushings that are in the LX. Mike's guys were instructed to put washers top and bottom of the strut bushing. They were instructed this a couple of days before when we did Trojans Challenger.

I have not roadtested one of our LX vehicles in about 6-8 weeks or so. So we will need to wait for one of us to roadtest it.

thanks
mike
dms

[OLJustice]

You guys want some work? Roadtest mine.... but better bring a seat pad and mouth guard. lol.

[Blendzol]

the poster went to the dealer to have things re-inspected at Mike Haddads in LA. He also had a complaint and told us that the lower control arm bushings were moving 1/2 inch. this seriously concerned me. So Mike checked the car out personally and with the poster. The poster could not duplicate any movement. Mike Haddad roadtested with the customer for some time. The only noise that they could duplicate was taking speed bumps and the only noise that Mike heard with the customer was the sound of fluid movement in the shocks. It was barely noticeable. With the suspension hydraulic noise, I took my personal car out and heard the swishing noise.

So Mike did what he could. Roadtested with the customer and had the customer try and duplicate the looseness he called me on when I was on vacation in Yosemite. And the poster could not duplicate any looseness. Mike did check to see if all the bolts were tight and everything was.

So I am at a loss to know how to assist you. We may have to wait for the next time Pete or myself go to any of the events.

Now one thing we do know about is the weak upper strut bushings that are in the LX. Mike's guys were instructed to put washers top and bottom of the strut bushing. They were instructed this a couple of days before when we did Trojans Challenger.

I have not roadtested one of our LX vehicles in about 6-8 weeks or so. So we will need to wait for one of us to roadtest it.

thanks
mike
dms

Wow!!! great defense there buddy!!! The BS being shoved in my face here is overwhelming!!! The swishing sound you are fantasizing about is in your imagination. I have emailed you numerous times and keep correcting you in your use of words but to no avail!! It is not a swishing sound, It is a creaking/squeezing sound. Biggggggg difference!!! The car must be driven at least 5-10 miles and then put on the alignment rack. Then the car must be raised by the cross member and then the you grab the wheel from the top and bottom and then you jerk it back and forth. The lower control arm on the right shows a play of about 1/4-1/2 inch. When Mike tested my claim the car was there overnight and more importantly, when I went there the next day one of their guys told me that they had regreased and retightened the nuts and bolts so maybe the reason why I could not duplicate the problem like the previous day. They probably did fix the problem by going over their work again.I keep telling you not to insult my intelligence but you still do. I have had my share of hours under the hood of many cars and know the difference between a bushing noise and hydraulic fluid noise in the shocks. I have had three other cars which I personally installed shocks with Hydraulic fluid on and NEVER, I say NEVER heard a creaking noise out of any of them. As the west coast rep you should try to investigate this more hands on instead of disrespecting and accusing me of being a liar or someone who in your mind not knowing what he is talking about. The creaking/squeezing sound that I hear is most likely from the upper arms and need to be looked at again. If there are no washers up top, then it needs to be corrected. I will take a look later to see if there are any washers installed. As far as the test drive with Mike Haddad goes, he heard the noise and it's is not slight so do me a favor and brush up on your customer service skills and listen to your customers first and tackle the problem yourself before your draw up your own baseless conclusions. I know of this first hand being in the front lines dealing with customers in my business day in and day out. I know there is a problem with these bushings/install and will pursue this until it is fixed.

[Blendzol]

Hey, you need to contact Mike White 248-522-8165

mike.white@peddersusa.com He helped me get my car ready for SEMA and did a damm fine job of it
Let me know if you wanna see all the emails I have sent him. I've spoken to him numerous times too and he keeps dishing me the same crap.

[Blendzol]

Well, before we go throwing Pedders under the bus, The first couple of LX's we did we got a bit of noise from the upper control arm bushings, as we lubed them as we would a GTO bushing, but these are different and require more lube. With that said, I've gotten more noise from the Hotchkis sway bars than anything else.

The shocks should not squeak either, so if it is a shock that is making noise it will be covered under warranty.

Can you PM me info on who did the installation, and who you have talked to?

again, please don't jump all over Pedders, our products work as advertised, and we need to get to the bottom of your noise.
Haddad Motorsports did the install and they've been real good about trying to fix the problem but it hasn't happened yet. This is bushing noise and nothing else. I don't care what both Mikes are telling me. I know my car. I drive it everyday. This noise was not there before. I have had the hotchkis sways for over a year and never heard a noise. Again, THIS IS BUSHING NOISE AND IT'S FROM THE PEDDERS BUSHINGS. If spacers/washers have not been installed on some of them, then of course they will cause this creaking/squeezing noise.

[dms motorsport]

Wow!!! great defense there buddy!!! The BS being shoved in my face here is overwhelming!!! The swishing sound you are fantasizing about is in your imagination. I have emailed you numerous times and keep correcting you in your use of words but to no avail!! It is not a swishing sound, It is a creaking/squeezing sound. Biggggggg difference!!! The movement in the lower control arms, especially the right side, is still there. the car must be driven at least 5-10 miles and then put on the alignment rack. Then the car must be raised by the cross member and then the you grab the wheel from the top and bottom and then you jerk it back and forth. The lower control arm on the right shows a play of about 1/4-1/2 inch. I keep telling you not to insult my intelligence but you still do. I have had my share of hours under the hood of many cars and know the difference between a bushing noise and hydraulic fluid noise in the shocks. I have had three other cars which I personally installed Hydraulic shocks on and NEVER, I say NEVER heard a creaking noise out of any of them. As the west coast rep you should try to investigate this more hands on instead of disrespecting and accusing me of being a liar or someone who in your mind not knowing what he is talking about. The creaking/squeezing sound that I hear is most likely from the upper arms and need to be looked at again. If there are no washers as you you say there should be then this needs to be corrected. I will take a look later to see if there are any washers installed. As far as the test drive with Mike Haddad goes, he heard the noise and it's is not slight so do me a favor and brush up on your customer service skills and listen to your customers first and tackle the problem yourself before your draw up your own baseless conclusions. I know of this first hand being in the fornt lines dealing with customers in my business day in and day out. I know there is a problem with these bushings/install and will pursue this until it is fixed.

As I was told, the both of you I believe roadtested i well over 20 minutes. One of the concerns I have is the rubber, and especially poly, is not intermittant when it comes o movement. It either has it or it doesn't.

So I would suggest your Lx for the amount of time you determine will show up, and make a prior arrangement with Mike to check it out again.


I will also remind you there is nothing I wrote here, that I did not review with you on the last followup call.

mike

dms

[Blendzol]

As I was told, the both of you I believe roadtested i well over 20 minutes. One of the concerns I have is the rubber, and especially poly, is not intermittant when it comes o movement. It either has it or it doesn't.

So I would suggest your Lx for the amount of time you determine will show up, and make a prior arrangement with Mike to check it out again.


I will also remind you there is nothing I wrote here, that I did not review with you on the last followup call.

mike

dms
You can't fix this over the phone!!! I do not have the time to go down to Haddad for the same issue over and over again. Usually, when the problem is not fixed by the dealer/installer you go up in rank and contact the makers/distributors and that's what I have done. I have contacted you. You keep telling me to go back to Haddad. If they don't know how to fix this problem what's the use??? Let's not get off the subject here. My issue here is the noise form the bushings. The lower arm movement problem has been fixed as my previous reply states. I need to know why the uppers are making such noise...

[dms motorsport]

You can't fix this over the phone!!! I do not have the time to go down to Haddad for the same issue over and over again. Usually, when the problem is not fixed by the dealer/installer you go up in rank and contact the makers/distributors and that's what I have done. I have contacted you. You keep telling me to go back to Haddad. If they don't know how to fix this problem what's the use??? Let's not get off the subject here. My issue here is the noise form the bushings. The lower arm movement problem has been fixed as my previous reply states. I need to know why the uppers are making such noise...

Mike has full authority to replace or warranty any Pedders part that he seems appropriate. He is the dealer there, and he feels there is not a problem with your LX. You will have to show him that it is. Mike and his crew have done quite a few of the LXs. You will have to deal with him.

mike
dms

[Blendzol]

Just checked the uppers. I didn't see any washers. The bushings are flush with the body and from what i could see there were no washers. Are these the ones you are referring to? Should there be washers there??

[Blendzol]

Mike has full authority to replace or warranty any Pedders part that he seems appropriate. He is the dealer there, and he feels there is not a problem with your LX. You will have to show him that it is. Mike and his crew have done quite a few of the LXs. You will have to deal with him.

mike
dms
You know I really was not looking for your involvement in this thread considering you haven't done anything to remedy my problem except try to dismiss my concerns. I merely wanted to know if any of the members on the site had suffered the same as me and express my feelings re: Pedders. Seeing that no one has and I mean NO ONE even hears a sound from their bushings leads me to continue to believe something has not been installed correctly. I have contacted Mike Haddad and will correspond with him personally. He has been very helpful and cooperative. This problem is something that he has not experienced and am sure will fix if it is Scrutinized more closely . It must be the install. I forgot to mention that the rear shocks DON"T make any noise. Not even the swishing noise you are so adamant about. How come I only here this from the front. I do not hear any noise from the rear. Again, IT IS NOT A SWISHING NOISE. IT CREAKS.

[dms motorsport]

Just checked the uppers. I didn't see any washers. The bushings are flush with the body and from what i could see there were no washers. Are these the ones you are referring to? Should there be washers there??

There is not suppose to be washers between the bushing and the body. I never said this. You are probably confusing information that I mentioned about strut bushings. The LX strut bushings are prone to noises. We try and put either a 12 or 13mm washer (I forgot which one), top and bottom of the bushing in the hopes for putting more squeeze into the bushing. This usually reduces noises they generate. Mike's guys were instructed to do this, and in fact we did it on Trojans new Challenger when I was there just before they did your LX.

mike
dms

[dms motorsport]

You know I really was not looking for your involvement in this thread considering you haven't done anything to remedy my problem except try to dismiss my concerns. I merely wanted to know if any of the members on the site had suffered the same as me and express my feelings re: Pedders. Seeing that no one has and I mean NO ONE even hears a sound from their bushings leads me to continue to believe something has not been installed correctly. I have contacted Mike Haddad and will correspond with him personally. He has been very helpful and cooperative. This problem is something that he has not experienced and am sure will fix if it is Scrutinized more closely . It must be the install. I forgot to mention that the rear shocks DON"T make any noise. Not even the swishing noise you are so adamant about. How come I only here this from the front. I do not hear any noise from the rear. Again, IT IS NOT A SWISHING NOISE. IT CREAKS.

You also need to work on your communication with Mike because he told me he heard the shock in the rear. I am not trying to be a butthead, but what Mike says and what you are saying, are quite different. Again, Mike has the authority to warrant any Pedders part. So please communicate with him well.

You also can get a second opinion, as I mentioned before by going on a test drive with Josh at House of Power, but Mike has a lot more experience with the LX suspension than Josh.


mike
dms

[Blendzol]

You also need to work on your communication with Mike because he told me he heard the shock in the rear. I am not trying to be a butthead, but what Mike says and what you are saying, are quite different. Again, Mike has the authority to warrant any Pedders part. So please communicate with him well.

You also can get a second opinion, as I mentioned before by going on a test drive with Josh at House of Power, but Mike has a lot more experience with the LX suspension than Josh.


mike
dms

I will contact Josh too and get his opinion also.

[Blendzol]

You also need to work on your communication with Mike because he told me he heard the shock in the rear. I am not trying to be a butthead, but what Mike says and what you are saying, are quite different. Again, Mike has the authority to warrant any Pedders part. So please communicate with him well.

You also can get a second opinion, as I mentioned before by going on a test drive with Josh at House of Power, but Mike has a lot more experience with the LX suspension than Josh.


mike
dms
They have put washers on both sides of the bushings of the lower control arms where the strut is mounted. is this what you are referring to?

[Blendzol]

Go to this URL you might be able to hear what I am talking about. I recorded it while I was going over some speed bumps .That's no Swishing Sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgtjSG-VU

[Blendzol]

Well, before we go throwing Pedders under the bus, The first couple of LX's we did we got a bit of noise from the upper control arm bushings, as we lubed them as we would a GTO bushing, but these are different and require more lube. With that said, I've gotten more noise from the Hotchkis sway bars than anything else.

The shocks should not squeak either, so if it is a shock that is making noise it will be covered under warranty.

Can you PM me info on who did the installation, and who you have talked to?

again, please don't jump all over Pedders, our products work as advertised, and we need to get to the bottom of your noise.

Hope you can hear it. I recorded this going over some speed bumps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgtjSG-VU

[taki]

Just checked the uppers. I didn't see any washers. The bushings are flush with the body and from what i could see there were no washers. Are these the ones you are referring to? Should there be washers there??

Blendzol, looking at the picture on the right in your post #17, what kind of struts are you using? i see a black boot covering the strut that appears to not be in the correct location...

im not trying to stir the pot, im just wondering whats up with that black boot...

[Blendzol]

Blendzol, looking at the picture on the right in your post #17, what kind of struts are you using? i see a black boot covering the strut that appears to not be in the correct location...

im not trying to stir the pot, im just wondering whats up with that black boot...

Everything is PEDDERS. Bushings, struts, springs. I pushed the boot back. it was pushed to the right a bit. Not the cause of the noise.

[purplepistol]

when I first had my track II installed after a hundred miles I started hearing a horrid creak when I hit bumps, potholes. It was bad enough to really scare me , took it back to the autherised installer that did the work, they found one of the front end links had a loose nut. Tightened er up and noise went away.

[Bx Tpr]

Go to this URL you might be able to hear what I am talking about. I recorded it while I was going over some speed bumps .That's no Swishing Sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wMgtjSG-VU

This is what I would do bro. Put the OEM sway and bushings back on and see if you get that noise. Because of the sound quality of the video I'm not 100% sure BUT it does in fact sound like the Hotchkis bushings for the sway bar. My car squeaks like a used and abused lincoln town car taxi from NYC. I need to lube them up ASAP.

[Blendzol]

I went home last night and decided to spray some penetrating Silicon lubricant on all the places where the bushings were making contact with the car. After a few miles the creaking noise Disappeared. There was also a vibration when I braked. ALL OF THIS GONE!!! Just a simple lube job of the bushings solved my problem. Short of being called insane by Mike Haddad and Mike White, I was dismissed and was given bull**** beyond belief from these guys. The installation was the problem and I hope Haddad will learn from this lesson and grease the **** out of the bushings before they install them. Un****ing real how much time, gas and mental health I wasted on this ****. You put your car in the hands of these so called experts and this is what happens. To Mike white, I hope you have learned a valuable lesson from my experience and before you make hasty pointless diagnosis and accusations, listen to your product user and remedy the problem rather than telling me I have lost credibility with my complaints. Get back to Haddad and teach these guys how to properly install these bushings. There was nothing wrong with my Hotchkis sway bushings. They were greased before I had pedders bushings installed. This problem was not looked at closely by Haddad and I was bull****ed the entire time. I went back to these guys three times for the same problem and was told each and every time that it's the sound of the Hydraulic fluid in the shocks and that the LX is notorious for noises. Not when you spend $3k on a product that claims to be head and shoulders above OEM. The Charger is even riding better now after the Silicon lubricant I put on. There is no more vibration in the wheel and it glides over bumps and pot holes. I will tell you one thing, I will never go back to Haddad Motorsports and will most likely go to House of Power (Josh) and have them do any other work that needs to be done. Plus Josh knows how to do the custom program for the Diablo. Mike Haddad has no clue. He told me that the software out there for the LX is not as good as GM and that's why he doesnot Dyno tune them with the Diablo, That may be true that GM dyno tuning is better but that's not the reason. There are hundreds of other shops that do the custom tune for the LX. I can see why the don't do the tuning, they don't even know how to install Bushings correctly. Crock of ****. The only reason I did not see Josh to do the install is because he is about 55 miles away from my house vs. 12m to Haddad and that he had less experience than Haddad, as quoted by Mike White of Pedders. I will gladly pay Josh for any repairs or adjustments to be made to the work Haddad has done currently. I would rather do that than go back to these guys. UN****ING REAL!!!!!!!!!!

[Rob@WretchedMS]

Mike Haddad is a great guy, who is very knowledgeable about performance cars and suspensions. Mike Haddad knows the computer side of things much better than you do, and i completely agree with what he is saying about the Dodge computer stuff compared to the GM stuff due to GM releasing info that Dodge has sued over. HP Tuners is an awesome program, but it's not ready for Dodge yet. So to say Mike Haddad has 'no clue' is so far from the reality of the matter that it's just a lie.

Mike White is also a great guy, who is very knowledgeable about suspensions.

I do not know Josh, but i'm sure he is a good guy too, if you feel more comfortable with him then by all means take it to him, but i wouldn't expect your visit to be free, and wouldn't expect Make Haddad to reimburse you for anything.

Both will not react well to a heavy handed approach as your posts have shown, I would trust my own personal car with either of them. I believe there is more to be said about this that hasn't been said, as every story has two sides, but the bottom line is that your car now has a resolution, and a solution is close by.

Please use a bit of tact when posting on the internet, it's not possible to read body language and inflection on the internet, but your continued use of foul language and insults will not win you any friends. You come off as a 'hot head' and someone that is looking for a fight, this may be 100% wrong, but that's how i see it.

We will be here to support you in the future, and will stand behind our parts, work, and cars. Just remember that we are people just like you, and should be addressed in the same manner that you want to be addressed in.

[Blendzol]

Mike Haddad is a great guy, who is very knowledgeable about performance cars and suspensions. Mike Haddad knows the computer side of things much better than you do, and i completely agree with what he is saying about the Dodge computer stuff compared to the GM stuff due to GM releasing info that Dodge has sued over. HP Tuners is an awesome program, but it's not ready for Dodge yet. So to say Mike Haddad has 'no clue' is so far from the reality of the matter that it's just a lie.

Mike White is also a great guy, who is very knowledgeable about suspensions.

I do not know Josh, but i'm sure he is a good guy too, if you feel more comfortable with him then by all means take it to him, but i wouldn't expect your visit to be free, and wouldn't expect Make Haddad to reimburse you for anything.

Both will not react well to a heavy handed approach as your posts have shown, I would trust my own personal car with either of them. I believe there is more to be said about this that hasn't been said, as every story has two sides, but the bottom line is that your car now has a resolution, and a solution is close by.

Please use a bit of tact when posting on the internet, it's not possible to read body language and inflection on the internet, but your continued use of foul language and insults will not win you any friends. You come off as a 'hot head' and someone that is looking for a fight, this may be 100% wrong, but that's how i see it.

We will be here to support you in the future, and will stand behind our parts, work, and cars. Just remember that we are people just like you, and should be addressed in the same manner that you want to be addressed in.

Hot head or not, my concerns were dismissed and that's that!! I have my opinion regardless of foul language or not. I remember the day when Mike Haddad jumped down my throat scolding me for talking to Mike White which was referred as the guy to talk to by Deb at pedders. Of course you have to stand behind you product until my warranty runs out. That's your policy. But to dismiss and question my credibility is unacceptable. By the way I am a computer/Electronics Engineer who has much more knowledge of the design of any ECM or home computer than Mike or anyone else in your facility. I have worked for some of the biggest companies as Research and Development Engineer. I have worked for AC DELCO (ECM and Cluster division) Ericcson/GE and Beckman laboratories to name a few. My reference to Mopar vs. GM comprised of the available software on the Diablo Predator which can be tailored to the car's performance at different RPMs on the Dyno. Please do not question my knowledge of cars and their operation as you have no idea who I am and what I have done. Bushings are not everyone’s specialty, especially when it comes to dropping the entire rear end of the charger which was something that I would not tackle merely for the headache and special tools necessary to perform the task. I believe credit is due when appropriate and in this case absolutely none can be given to Mike White for his one-sided opinion and Haddad's absolute negligence and lack of knowledge on LX models. He himself told me in the beginning that he had only done ONE Chrysler 300 and then later, after all the going back and forth, he claimed he had done at least 10. HMMMM??? I wasn't born yesterday and in this day and age with the economy and finances being as tight as they are, my "HOTHEADEDNESS" is justified. I really don't care if you think I was too harsh in my approach. We are dealing with the suspension of a car!!! The creaking was one of the problems with this install. First they installed the wrong springs, ones that I never authorized, second, the first night I took the car back it was hopping all over the lanes on the road. Guess what? Haddad's guys did not tighten the tension bar's nuts in the rear and the car was hanging by a thread literally. So don't tell me to keep my anger at bay. In addition, If you had read my post more carefully, you would have noticed that I said I would gladly pay Josh to work on my car and do it right. When I saw him approx 6 months ago, He had two 300Cs on the rack and was working on another Charger for a guy named FLEX who was absolutely happy with the install. Josh is a Mopar guy and knows more about the LX than guys who just work on GTOs and Impalas and suddenly decide to make some money working on Chargers etc…. That is how dissatisfied I am with their install and treatment. Doesn’t matter how many times they were gonna take back the car and they did, but they didn’t do jack to solve the problem………

[Blendzol]

The lower control arms did in fact have lateral movement which was not checked by Haddad. I decided to change them out and have new bushings installed and guess what? they are snug and tight like they should be. In addition to the numerous problems I was encountering after their install, the car was pulling aggressively to the right. I took it back and they told me that the caster was set to numbers which would cause the car to pull to the left and they could not explain why it was pulling to the right. They adjusted the caster again and that really did not solve the problem. Here is your answer HADDAD: the right lower control arm had excessive lateral movement therfore causing the vehicle to pull to the right. TO ANYONE WHO IS PLANNING TO HAVE THEIR LX DONE: DO NOT go to Haddad Motorsports. They act like they care and they know what the **** they are talking about. Whe in fact they dont. They never checked my lower control arm problem. They expected me to duplicate it when none of them were around. It was just me and this guy Steve who is not an installer. He just takes orders and charges people. They used my LX as an EXPERIMENT. **** MIKE HADDAD, Mike White and the other ******* rep from Back East who is in love with Haddad and would bend over for him. I hope all of them read this post. I am livid and cannot stand liars and bull**** artists like Haddad. If you live in SO CAL and wanna have the pedders suspension done. Go to Josh at House of Power. He knows everything about MOPAR. Haddad is a GM guy and should stay as a GM guy. *******S. I would pursue this further but I refuse to have them touch my car again...

[Trojan]

I disagree!/\/\/\/\

[MattRobertson]

I saw this thread a while ago and decided to stay out of it. Probably should still do that.

A lot of us have Pedders parts. I have all the bushings and they work great for me. I'd also agree that Pedders has been ... challenged ... on occasion when it comes to how they handle themselves.

But Blenzdol... man all I have to do is read your stuff and it looks like you are part of the problem. From what I can see by how you conduct yourself here, you are a pretty difficult guy to deal with. I imagine you have a genuine grievance. But if in real life you were as over the top with these guys as you are here... Man they must have been hiding in basements and jumping into foxholes when they saw you drive into the parking lot. No wonder you had it tough.

[DadsSRT8]

Blendzol.. sorry you had a problem with Haddads (HMS)... Like a few others I disagree with your assessment of Haddads.

I also have had HMS install the Pedders full bush kit on my SRT Magnum. . After attending both days of trainng put on by Pedders at HMS and HOP I gave the nod to HMS

Initially I had an issue with the rear end seating and making a clunking noise while shifting between drive and reverse.. Mike and I drove the car and when we confirmed there was an issue , just as they were leaving at 10:30 at night they put the car back on the rack. We all agreed to go home and wait until the morning to take a look a this problem.. Yes I was extremely bummed and a little pissed off. HMS found an issue and corrected it the next day.

Two weeks later I also had a faint rubbing sound and was able to duplicate the situation with Mike in the car. They had talked with the Pedders folks and a washer was added to the rear suspension which resolved the issue.

A month later I took my car to the track and it handled well, but had a little under steer.. well Mike had me bring the car in and yes the front alignment had moved by about a degree.. could have been me hitting a decent size bump, pot hole, running over the curbs (on the track) or maybe something else settling in. Without any complaints he put me in front of the line and took car of my car

Knowledge.. quite impressed with HMS. If I had to complain about anything is that he is often overbooked and so things may not go the way "I" want on my schedule, but I settle down and we come to an arrangement. To this point I was dead set on a particular brake pads, Mike stated an different opinion than I had. Don't tell him but he was right.. so I ordered the pads he suggested and put them on.

I mean look at all of the stuff he has going on.. if it was all shoddy workmanship he would not be in business. On the other hand sometimes things do not go as well as one plans on.. maybe it is just karma..

Mike will listen and give you a plan. but you cannot have everything.. the best handling car in the corners with the softest ride.. there are compromises. I have no hesitation on bouncing my ideas off HMS and getting their input.

I am glad you worked out the issues you were having. Best of luck.

[Blendzol]

Blendzol.. sorry you had a problem with Haddads (HMS)... Like a few others I disagree with your assessment of Haddads.

I also have had HMS install the Pedders full bush kit on my SRT Magnum. . After attending both days of trainng put on by Pedders at HMS and HOP I gave the nod to HMS

Initially I had an issue with the rear end seating and making a clunking noise while shifting between drive and reverse.. Mike and I drove the car and when we confirmed there was an issue , just as they were leaving at 10:30 at night they put the car back on the rack. We all agreed to go home and wait until the morning to take a look a this problem.. Yes I was extremely bummed and a little pissed off. HMS found an issue and corrected it the next day.

Two weeks later I also had a faint rubbing sound and was able to duplicate the situation with Mike in the car. They had talked with the Pedders folks and a washer was added to the rear suspension which resolved the issue.

A month later I took my car to the track and it handled well, but had a little under steer.. well Mike had me bring the car in and yes the front alignment had moved by about a degree.. could have been me hitting a decent size bump, pot hole, running over the curbs (on the track) or maybe something else settling in. Without any complaints he put me in front of the line and took car of my car

Knowledge.. quite impressed with HMS. If I had to complain about anything is that he is often overbooked and so things may not go the way "I" want on my schedule, but I settle down and we come to an arrangement. To this point I was dead set on a particular brake pads, Mike stated an different opinion than I had. Don't tell him but he was right.. so I ordered the pads he suggested and put them on.

I mean look at all of the stuff he has going on.. if it was all shoddy workmanship he would not be in business. On the other hand sometimes things do not go as well as one plans on.. maybe it is just karma..

Mike will listen and give you a plan. but you cannot have everything.. the best handling car in the corners with the softest ride.. there are compromises. I have no hesitation on bouncing my ideas off HMS and getting their input.

I am glad you worked out the issues you were having. Best of luck.

I went back to him 4 times and none of my complaints were addressed properly. I have fixed the problem with a friend who is a mechanic and the ride is what it should be now. I was understanding and calm until I was treated as if I had no grounds for what I was claiming. As far as I am concerned there is always a first for everything and not everyone can be satisfied and I am one of those unsatisfied people. If you are happy with their workmanship then kudos to you. I am warning others to evaluate their situation when going to these guys. I stand behind what I said and cannot say otherwise.

[Blendzol]

I saw this thread a while ago and decided to stay out of it. Probably should still do that.

A lot of us have Pedders parts. I have all the bushings and they work great for me. I'd also agree that Pedders has been ... challenged ... on occasion when it comes to how they handle themselves.

But Blenzdol... man all I have to do is read your stuff and it looks like you are part of the problem. From what I can see by how you conduct yourself here, you are a pretty difficult guy to deal with. I imagine you have a genuine grievance. But if in real life you were as over the top with these guys as you are here... Man they must have been hiding in basements and jumping into foxholes when they saw you drive into the parking lot. No wonder you had it tough.

You don't know me and cannot judge me from this thread. Obviously, you have not comprehended what I have said. I have been to these guys 4 times for the same and additional crucial problems that were dismissed. I am a calm cool headed man until I see idiocy and pure negligence at my cost. So you think what you want and yes they should all hide in their "basements and foxholes". Maybe you can join them too.......:loser:

[dudeiwin86]

I am a calm cool headed man

why do i have a hard time believing that?

[Blendzol]

In addition, it was discovered today that the right upper control arm's bolts form under the hood were completely loose!!! I rest my case about these guys.