Frankentake IV is Finally Here... OMG and WTF!

[nclimey]

Thanks, Leadfoot. I've got it out!

[taki]

i bought a new iat sensor because i figured i would break the one in the oem airbox...that way, if i want to swap back to the oem, i can do so very easy.

[MattRobertson]

Thats a good idea. I've done the same thing myself, and at the later MFO's extra sensors made our lives MUCH easier.

[nclimey]

No sweat. If you see any place where I did that let me know and I'll alter my post.

Just twist and pull with gentle, constant force and you'll get the sensor. It *is* scary when you're doing it the first time. Also check the original F-III thread. I went into much more install detail there. And there is a separate F-III install tips thread somewhere. I don't think I have that linked.
PM sent.

[magnum100]

How much did you pay for the sensor? did you get it at the dealer or order it online? Do you know the part number...?

Thanks in advance!


i bought a new iat sensor because i figured i would break the one in the oem airbox...that way, if i want to swap back to the oem, i can do so very easy.

[taki]

i bought at my local dealer for $35, but I just checked my LX manual, and this is what it came up with when i searched my favorite online parts place:

4606487AB $29.90$0.00$21.54Electrical - Powertrain control - Air intake temp sensor
Air intake temp sensor, all models 2001 - 2007


Please verify this part number before ordering!

[Leadfootluke]

i bought at my local dealer for $35, but I just checked my LX manual, and this is what it came up with when i searched my favorite online parts place:

4606487AB $29.90$0.00$21.54Electrical - Powertrain control - Air intake temp sensor
Air intake temp sensor, all models 2001 - 2007


Please verify this part number before ordering!

Yup, take note the some 08 build challengers and maybe LX's come with 2 different ones.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/airflowinnovations/Locked-IAT-diagram.jpg

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/airflowinnovations/IMGP4998-1.jpg

Edit, added a little better image
http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss148/DurangedSandToyz/IAT/IMG_0153.jpg?t=1236982932

[magnum100]

Yup, take note the some 08 build challengers and maybe LX's come with 2 different ones.

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/airflowinnovations/Locked-IAT-diagram.jpg

http://i427.photobucket.com/albums/pp359/airflowinnovations/IMGP4998-1.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong, but shouldnt there be a black plastic arch that encircles that blue tip? It appears from the pic that this has been broken off this unit.

BTW...this is a nice clear pic for future references on AIT sensors.

[Junior]

Yeah, $30 is about right. That's what I paid for one in Sacramento anyway.

And yeah, there's supposed to be a black "hoop" around the blue sensor above - looks like it's come off of that one.

[MattRobertson]

I always thought it was molded in. Not something that could come off on its own. It would be reallly scary wrenching that sucker around without it.

[Junior]

It is molded - looks like that one broke roughly.

[argentmag]

I broke some sort of clip off of my sensor also when removing it to do the F-IV , but it seems to stay in the new elbow pretty good. ???

[netnathan]

It won't hurt without the black hoop it is only a protector. You just don't wnat to bump it again.
The blue thingy is what does all the work. It appears to be an "RTD" (Ressistance Temperature Detector). (They are fairly durable, in other words you could bend it just bend it back.) It changes resistance in relation to temperature. There are a few different ranges, they are usuallly accurate to .001 deg or even better.
The protector is probably there so it is easier to get it thru the grommet.
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[concussion]

I broke the tab on mine when I was removing it. I just used a few zip ties for now.

I'll have to order the sensor.

Here's my intake though...

http://johnburleson.com/v2/magnum/frankenTake/F_IV029.jpg


Just sick!

I was able to make a F III out of the left overs too.

Thanks Matt.

[argentmag]

watch that tab just above the new filter - I put tape over it, 'cause it likes to bite the filter.

[InferAl]

Hey Matt how exactly does the stabilizer in the pic get hooked up


http://foohbar.com/magnum/frankentake4_07.jpg

[MattRobertson]

Hey Matt how exactly does the stabilizer in the pic get hooked up
It doesn't. Thats left over from my Frankentake III and no longer in use(I assume you mean the hose clamp mount on the p/s fittings, right?).

Frankentake IV's filter bends down... and sits directly on top of the hole, solid as a rock. You could stabilize it further I suppose but I haven't felt the need to go there.

To keep the metal end of the S&B filter from rattling on the bare metal, I took a thin strip of fuel line, slit it lengthwise and used it to line the hole. Filter sits rattle-free on the slit rubber hose. My first attempt was with 3M red body adhesive tape which worked but was sloppy-looking.

[InferAl]

I wish I would have read this thread a few weeks back, I had to throw something together last minute............its not amywhere near as nice as this

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1139.jpg

[MattRobertson]

hmmm. That elbow looks different somehow. And whats peeking out of that box?... :-)

[street hooligan]

al, what made you put one of these together

[InferAl]

hmmm. That elbow looks different somehow. And whats peeking out of that box?... :-)

al, what made you put one of these together

In the box is the new Arrington cast 90mm throttle body, that is why I needed to put something together real quick when it came

[monty1269]

Geez Al!! What is that...an 18" diameter tube!?!? WOW!

[concussion]

Hey this is an update for the 5.7 guys.


I think that the 5.7 guys need to look at the S&B filter that can be inserted into the hose that is extended past the plug wires / coilpacks like this one.
http://www.sbfilters.com/images/hires_22_26-1517.jpg

I ordered the same one Matt used and just bored mine out to fit the hose. Or you could order an ID that will allow the hose to be inserted.

Love the FrankenTake!

[Tagman]

hmmm. That elbow looks different somehow. And whats peeking out of that box?... :-)

My guess is a 90mm TB as the elbow doesn't look like a reducer (4" -> 3.5"). :rock:

edit: he beat me to the answer....

Al, you shoulda asked me, I coulda loaned you mine while I have my intake off!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/Tagger411/DIY%20CAI/Picture001.jpg

[street hooligan]

interesting, how did you make that intake????

[InferAl]

My guess is a 90mm TB as the elbow doesn't look like a reducer (4" -> 3.5"). :rock:

edit: he beat me to the answer....

Al, you shoulda asked me, I coulda loaned you mine while I have my intake off!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v57/Tagger411/DIY%20CAI/Picture001.jpg


I gotta see that in person

[street hooligan]

yea, it does look interesting, i can think of what to buy to fabricate that, made of mild steel, but wondering how he made it/bought it maybe?

[Tagman]

I gotta see that in person

Well, I might recruit you in a few weeks when I reinstall my intake and new CPR fuel rails.

interesting, how did you make that intake????

3.5"->4" rubber 90deg reducer, 4" PVC, 4"->6" PVC reducer, 12" S&B Filter, red paint.

Simplified, but you get the picture.

[InferAl]

Well here the 90mm throttle body, the intake isn't pretty but I was in a hurry to get the throttle body on last minute

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1179.jpg

[street hooligan]

Al, love the red wire loom, nice touch lol

[InferAl]

Al, love the red wire loom, nice touch lol

I know, its off now.............this whole thing is temporary I want one that goes down into the fender

[street hooligan]

meh i had one i bought for 89 bux from procar parts.com, its 3.5 inch pipe. it was nice, and i know i fought matt long and hard about it but he was right (shhhhhhh dont tell him i said it)

longer the pipe, the more restriction you will notice, made what i felt my hard hitting car turn smooth, i didnt like the outcome. gimme a few days show i can post pics of what i am working on now, you will like it better i know it.

[InferAl]

meh i had one i bought for 89 bux from procar parts.com, its 3.5 inch pipe. it was nice, and i know i fought matt long and hard about it but he was right (shhhhhhh dont tell him i said it)

longer the pipe, the more restriction you will notice, made what i felt my hard hitting car turn smooth, i didnt like the outcome. gimme a few days show i can post pics of what i am working on now, you will like it better i know it.


I would think with a 4" pipe any restriction with a longer pipe would be made up for double with the cooler intake temps.

I am interested in what you are working on

[street hooligan]

you would think al, but i was proved otherwise



Yes matt, you were right, brag and boast now all you want ;)

[MattRobertson]

one down, 14,792 to go :-). No celebrating yet.

[InferAl]

Just some food for thought.
Notice the co-efficent of discharge (Cd) and also the co-efficent of velocity (Cv) on these designs and compare to the last one (4) which is similar to a velocity stack in design.
Compare this to the second one (2) which is how a lot of our systems are set up.
This is probably important to TB porting also.

http://i202.photobucket.com/albums/aa130/netnathan/NozzleDesign.jpg

#5 looks an awful lot like the inside of the S&B filter collar. Interesting.

So the S&B filter collar has a slight little velocity stack built into it already

[InferAl]

OK add another one to the Frankentake IV,

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1223.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1224.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1229.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1228.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1222.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1227.jpg

[MattRobertson]

ahh. 4" all the way thru. And nice job on the hole liner. What size tubing was that?

[netnathan]

Matt...
Were you at SpringFest?

[InferAl]

ahh. 4" all the way thru. And nice job on the hole liner. What size tubing was that?


Put a little gorilla glue on it and pushed a narrow funnel in the hole to hold it in there till it dried a little. Got it at Autozone

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1231.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1235.jpg

[MattRobertson]

Thanks Al, I have been telling people to use narrow line but I am still using the carved up 0.5" silicone tubing I had in the garage that is WAY oversize. Matt...
Were you at SpringFest?Nope. Work kicked my ass (still is) and I couldn't go. :-(

[Mymopar]

That washer fluid hose is a good idea! I'll have to pick some up.

I plan on wrapping the tube with heat wrap and then adding a "decrotive" shield over that to see if the IAT can get lower.
I noted that at idle and in traffic I saw temps nearly 25* over ambient, but once driving it cooled down to 8-12* over ambient.
I'm curious to see if I can get it closer to 1-3* over ambient.

[MattRobertson]

You can reduce the heat into the intake a little... but remember the point of using thin aluminum tubing is that while it heats fast, it also cools just as fast. Insulation works both ways and torpedoes your ability to cool down once you've heat soaked.

[netnathan]

How about a hard angled pipe conenction from the filter to the hole?
That way you force the inner cone of the filter to breath fresh air.
Hell...before the filter you could use flexible duct.

[InferAl]

This is the new Frankentake Godzilla intake

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1240.jpg?t=1238797238

[MattRobertson]

Oiling that should be fun :D

[netnathan]

This is the new Frankentake Godzilla intake

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1240.jpg?t=1238797238

You definately aren't going to suffer from low filter flow.

In one of the MFO's didn't they actually get a lower HP reading from an open throttle body (no CAI)?

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[street hooligan]

yup

[MattRobertson]

The thinking is no intake = turbulent airflow, despite the lack of restriction. Stick a velocity stack on the open TB and maybe the story would be different.

[netnathan]

The thinking is no intake = turbulent airflow, despite the lack of restriction. Stick a velocity stack on the open TB and maybe the story would be different.

Beat me to it.

[johanness]

[quote=InferAl;2159539]OK add another one to the Frankentake IV,

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1223.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1224.jpg

I think that is one DOPE looking CAI. I bet it sucks. Truly looks like it should flow better than anything out there.
Also... did you just zip-strip both hoses that usually cover the fresh air hole to the side, or reroute them?

[InferAl]

I think that is one DOPE looking CAI. I bet it sucks. Truly looks like it should flow better than anything out there.
Also... did you just zip-strip both hoses that usually cover the fresh air hole to the side, or reroute them?

Are you referring to these hoses if so they are not in the way, that way it had room for the stock box


http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1227.jpg

[magnitude]

You probably have a 5.7 motor. Take a look at the pic in Post #9, at the very top. You can see his breather there. I believe its extended to clear his plastic covers, and you have to do the same with a bit of hose to clear the Dodge engine cover. I don't use covers personally, due to motor cooling issues.

I have the 5.7, but still not clear on where to install this. Am I pulling the tube and installing the filter here? I don't care about the engine cover, on or off.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/crankcasebreather.jpg?t=1239478687

[Becker]

I have the 5.7, but still not clear on where to install this. Am I pulling the tube and installing the filter here? I don't care about the engine cover, on or off.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/crankcasebreather.jpg?t=1239478687Yes.

[Big RobsR/T]

Im waiting on my dang S&B filter! Almost 2 weeks now!

This is what I have so far. I used a wire wheel on the tube. The outside was trashed with manufacturing marks.


http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/bigputney/Chally/P4110237.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/bigputney/Chally/P4110235.jpg

[InferAl]

Is that the Spectre velocity stack

[Big RobsR/T]

Is that the Spectre velocity stack

Yes it is. I thought id try it....don't think it could hurt, right?

[InferAl]

Yes it is. I thought id try it....don't think it could hurt, right?

No I have been thinking about it

[MattRobertson]

Yes it is. I thought id try it....don't think it could hurt, right?
Thats what I said. I have been running it for a month or so but haven't had the time or money to dyno it to see if there's a difference.

[concussion]

I have the 5.7, but still not clear on where to install this. Am I pulling the tube and installing the filter here? I don't care about the engine cover, on or off.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/crankcasebreather.jpg?t=1239478687

either cut the tube that you have or pick some up at an autoparts store. Then attach the filter to it.

I don't have any pics of mine with the cover off, but here's my engine before I painted it.

http://johnburleson.com/v2/magnum/frankenTake/F_IV029.jpg

If you need me to take some pics just PM me. If you go back a few pages I posted a filter that would work easier with the 5.7

[Big RobsR/T]

I got my S&B filter in today. Did anyone decide if it was ok to just drill into the silicone like the rubber? or do I need a grommet?

[MattRobertson]

well the rubber is awfully thick, which is part of why you can go commando with it. Silicone not so much. I'd go with the grommet if it were me.

[street hooligan]

i didnt use a grommet, just made a smaller hole for a more snug leak free fit.

and yea matts right, the elbow is thick stuff, much thicker than i anticipated!



matt i think i have OCD, i am thinking og going back to my srt box thats modded, i have some tricks up my sleve i wanna try that i read on other car forums.

[Big RobsR/T]

The silicone I got was almost 1/4" thick. I drilled a hole and cleaned up the threads with a razorblade and the IAT fits nice and tight in there. I also put on the breather with enough hose to clear the engine cover.

Ok this filter is huge, it fits, but barely. I may come back and make the pipe a little shorter but it works until this weekend at least.

ITS ALIVE! :rock:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/bigputney/Chally/P4140240.jpg

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/bigputney/Chally/P4140239.jpg

[MattRobertson]

Dang that 09 motor has some different stuff in it. And the fit is tight. I think its the elbow doing that to you. Looks like a longer radius than usual.

[InferAl]

With the 90mm TB being so much bigger than the Stock one I had to cut down the elbow about a inch on the TB side to make it fit

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1225.jpg

[magnitude]

The silicone I got was almost 1/4" thick. I drilled a hole and cleaned up the threads with a razorblade and the IAT fits nice and tight in there. I also put on the breather with enough hose to clear the engine cover.

Ok this filter is huge, it fits, but barely. I may come back and make the pipe a little shorter but it works until this weekend at least.

ITS ALIVE! :rock:
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/bigputney/Chally/P4140239.jpg

Looking good. Did you use/cut existing hose for breather filter?

[InferAl]

Looking good. Did you use/cut existing hose for breather filter?

No That fitting broke I had to tap another hole

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1229.jpg

[Big RobsR/T]

I cut the existing hose. If I ever need that hose again...well I will just buy one.

Looking good. Did you use/cut existing hose for breather filter?

[magnitude]

No That fitting broke I had to tap another hole

Ha, ha, I was asking about Big Rob's set-up since I have the same engine. Damn nice set-up you got goin on there tho.

Looking forward to starting my Frankentake project.

[magnitude]

I cut the existing hose. If I ever need that hose again...well I will just buy one.

Thx, good point. Does the engine cover keep it from moving around?

[magnitude]

Got all the parts and planning to put together/install this Monday.

What other mods/changes are recommended to improve the new intake’s performance? Removing stock silencer and belly cover? Anything else?

[MattRobertson]

What other mods/changes are recommended to improve the new intake’s performance? Removing stock silencer and belly cover? Anything else?
Personally, I would absolutely NOT remove the belly cover. You need that to hold your fascia together if you ever get to high speeds. Meister found that out and had to reinforce his fenders to keep them from blowing out.

What I would do is remove the lower radiator baffle (http://lelandwest.com/auto-tech/lower-baffle.cfm). Thats a big one. And of course you mentioned the removal of the silencer. Those are only on older Magnums and (I think) all 300's.

Thats all I would do.

[magnitude]

Thanks Matt. Good point on the belly cover. Read Meister's thread and liked the idea of a cooler engine compartment, but will keep on.

Thanks for the baffle lower mod info, I'll definitely do that.

I haven't checked yet, but from what I’ve been reading, assume my 06 doesn't have the silencer. One less thing to do.

Looking forward to getting this installed.

[monty1269]

Thanks Matt for posting that link. I *just so happen* to remove that baffle last weekend, and was wondering about removing the ENTIRE plastic pieces on the drivers side. No need to do the whole radiator baffle. Just the small lower one. ;)

to the rest... I managed to reach my hand thru the front fascia and pull the plastic rivets(?) out and get this out by hand. It was a VERY tight squeeze, only minor abrasions..but the fascia will move for you. ;)

[MattRobertson]

Yeah Monty, I know guys who have done if with the car on the ground and all I can say is ouch. Mine was up on a lift with the belly pan removed. 2-second job then. Would be just as easy on ramps.

[R/Tguy]

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[MattRobertson]

R/Tguy, you have any pics of this?

I don't know if anyone but me did the K&N fitting. I posted up in the original build thread about a simple hose barb and external stabilizing nut a long time ago. A little JB Weld on the threads can be used to hold it into place forever. Cost is about two bucks. But the breather filter seems to be the better solution. Fears about performance reduction haven't panned out on these motors.

[R/Tguy]

Yeah, I have pictures at home. It was pretty easy and would work well for someone who wanted to leave the breather out of the equation. I don't run breathers, but the game changes a bit with the turbo cars.

Evan

[street hooligan]

r/t guy, sounds like a little more work then just buying 3 dollar fitting from a hardware store.

[R/Tguy]

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[street hooligan]

for the frankentake, you buy a 3 dollar barb to a an fitting and drill a hole and screw in the fitting, DONE!

on boosted applications just use teflon tape then, i did and it held 25 psi from a 35r no problem

[R/Tguy]

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[MattRobertson]

No you haven't. This thread is about figuring stuff out and you're helping!

[R/Tguy]

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[MattRobertson]

Thats more sturdy than the previous method, but more intrusive into the airflow too.

From the original F-III thread (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=37580), which is also kind of the build thread for F-IV too:

http://foohbar.com/magnum/f3_barb_02.jpg

The nut you see on the *outside* of the tube (pictured in the thread and not here), which we used as a stabilizer (and it does a surprisingly good job of that) was originally meant to go inside the tube but it was too freaking huge. I wonder if this smaller hole is good, bad or indifferent when it comes to doing the job that a much larger hose is spec'd for on our cars.

Speaking personally, the breather method is simple and hasn't given us any consequences on the dyno so thats what I have moved to.

[R/Tguy]

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[Rabidfool]

Looking to start my Frankentake project. Is the list of materials in the first post the most current and best? I am reading this entire thread *before* purchase but just want to make sure I don't miss anything.

[stevenb]

Do you make these and sell them?

[MattRobertson]

I could see how that would work just fine in an N/A application. I need that barb for my boost controller setupoh yeah this barb and the shade tree attachment scheme would have ZERO chance of working under boost :D

Looking to start my Frankentake project. Is the list of materials in the first post the most current and best? I am reading this entire thread *before* purchase but just want to make sure I don't miss anything.Just looked at it and yeah, it will all work fine. You can find the elbows in two or three different places, and you can get clamps prettymuch anywhere, but the way I grouped stuff, you basically have to buy from fewer suppliers and pay less shipping. I'm sure you can shave a buck or three off if you want to, but the way its laid out is the easy way.

Do you make these and sell them?
oh hell no! :-)

Billet Technology introduced a polished Frankentake III. I tried but couldn't interest them in also offering an F-IV due to the need to fab the tubing and what that would mean to their bottom line. Perfectly understandable.

BUT...

I know another guy on this forum who is going to get into building the Frankentake IV for members at a very reasonable price. He'll be set up as a vendor and the whole bit.

If he ever gets off his ass. If you want one built at a small, entirely reasonable markup (thats his plan) post up here so he knows how bad he's screwing up :D

[concussion]

I'm almost ready.... by the end of the week I'll be ready to go.

I wasn't screwing up, I was preparing. :Na_Na_Na_Na:

[street hooligan]

matt, whos the guy?????hell why not i should try the 4!

[MattRobertson]

matt, whos the guy?????hell why not i should try the 4!
its a secret... or it was. :D

(look up)

[street hooligan]

o ok, well keep us posted!!!!

[concussion]

I definitely will.

[TorRed]

Does this require a computer re-tune?

[MattRobertson]

naaah.

[05nvrL8]

had my FIV on for um i don't know how long now... and its still working great!

[TorRed]

Can somebody post a link to the correct S&B PCV filter for the 5.7? I don't want to search thru 24 pages again. And what size hole do you drill in the elbow for the IAT?

[dwshootist]

Thought I would add the link to my posting on the FIV I built. Killer intake!

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=166886

[SILVER ROCKET]

THANK YOU ... MATT...FOR SHARING THIS INTAKE WITH US .I HAVE A FRANKENTAKE 3 GOING TO GET 45 degree TUBE TO turn it A IV.THANKS FOR ALL THE TIME DESIGNING AND ONLINE.

[magnitude]

Did a test fit last weekend and fit nice.

Question is, no need for a brace or support? You guys just padding the air box hole and letting filter make contact?

[MattRobertson]

Thats it. I think it was dwshootist who got a rubber ended, open-top filter from S&B. Certainly thats the cleanest solution.

[magnitude]

Ok, didn't think to get the rubber top. I'll just pad the hole with tubing.

Thanks...

[Big RobsR/T]

I just cut off an inch of my silicon 90° bend last weekend. It helped with fitment a a lot. I dont think the rubber one was as long as mine seemed to be. Fits much closer to the engine now.

[magnitude]

Just about finished getting this ready to install. Just a bit nervous pulling out the AIT sensor from stock elbow. Should just pull out, but mine's in there pretty tight and feel like I'm gonna break it.

Any tips?

Also, what does removing fuse 11 achieve before install?

[MattRobertson]

I would not worry about removing the fuse. On some model years it resets the adaptives but regardless, your car will... adapt. I think it stopped working after MY 2006?

If you have a stock intake, pull it out carefully, with steady pressure. Angle it a touch and work in some lubricant. Motor oil at a worst case. Hand soap works great too. Make sure you clean it thoroughly afterwards with a dry rag.

Putting it into the elbow, stick a few fingers into the elbow and support same as you put it in or you risk pushing it all the way thru by accident. Again, a bit of lubricant on the shoulder of the sensor goes a long way to smooth insertion.

yeah yeah I know...

http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2008/09/16/beavis_and_butthead__1221588990_9717.jpg
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[magnitude]

Thanks Matt. Since I'd be so screwed breaking this on a Sunday, was considering buying another sensor tomorrow and leaving one in stock elbow alone.

I'll try the handsoap.

Uh, huh, huh, huh, huh, the B & B reference is great.

[magnitude]

Installed my Franentake IV this evening. Looking forward to my morning commute tomorrow :pepper:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake2.jpg

[Jay_MoPar]

Looking forward to my morning commute tomorrow :pepper:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y114/magnitude06/frankentake2.jpg


i guess i would be too if i had this on my car lol looks good, let me know if you feel any acceleration boost.

[monty1269]

Hey Matt- Just curious how this one did with the intake material tests... If I remember, it did farly well in that too. Even more reason to do this design. ;)

[MattRobertson]

Yes its done well. It also has weak spots. I don't expect it to do well in Leg 4 when I get off my ass and publish it... but then again it did extremely well in the 1/4 mile 'drive'.

[Lajus007]

wat about the guys with 90mm tbs? i made an intake with a different type of bend and had to buy larger pipe and everything to make sure i get the most of the good stuff...is anyone makeing a intake to suit the 90mm tbs yet? just wondering...

[MattRobertson]

The F-4 will easily accomodate a 90mm TB. I believe Trojan and Hemi31 both did it when they needed something quick in between blower installs and such.

All you have to do is put on a non-reducing elbow. 4" --> 4" instead of 3.5" --> 4".

[InferAl]

There it is

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k155/inferal/IMG_1225.jpg

[mjc1241]

InferAl,
I am going to take the parts listed in the first post (elbow, aluminum tubing, clamps) and modify the stock SRT box to fit with an aftermarket high flow flat panel filter in place of the the stock filter. Since the aluminum tubing doesn't generate heat anyway, for looks sake, I am going to take the tubing, rough it up with some steel wool and paint it with heat resistant Rustoleum paint. I want to see how that works since I have to replace my Volant CAI. Cost should be less than $50.00 in parts.

[MattRobertson]

I've seen a couple of guys do that around here. The goal is smoothing the airflow (elbow and tube) and shucking heat, I suppose.

Basically all you have to do is yank the stock tube/elbow piece and replace it, at the most basic level.

At GIFO 1, I believe, we tested the hi flow K&N flat filter and the stock beat it.

[Super_Bee_09]

I've seen a couple of guys do that around here. The goal is smoothing the airflow (elbow and tube) and shucking heat, I suppose.

Basically all you have to do is yank the stock tube/elbow piece and replace it, at the most basic level.

At GIFO 1, I believe, we tested the hi flow K&N flat filter and the stock beat it.


Where I can buy a Frankentake IV CAI and I much is it... ??? :beerchug:

[MattRobertson]

You can build it yourself with the plans and instructions in Post #1, but you can't buy one finished unless a member here wants to build it for you (I know one or two guys have privately expressed an interest in doing that, and I'm all for it if they do).

However, Billet Technology sells the Frankentake III. We couldn't talk them into doing F-IV due to the need to cut the metal just *so*. They are selling the F-III at a very reasonable price and they can't maintain that with an F-IV. I don't blame them. I built 30 or 40 F-III's as part of a fundraiser and never again. I are not in the intake business.

[marksrt.awd]

I guess i made a Franken 3.5. Couldnt wait to find the 4"steel elbo, so just rolled over the edge, cut on an angle and got about 25deg instead of 45deg bend. Still gets the filter into the pocket. One thing i did do was move the steering resivior to the coincidental mount on the coolant res. I welded a tap to the tube that sits on the rad support to keep it all in place.

[GLN305]

I just ordered everything necessary to make this intake. Luckily I powdercoat at home, so this should turn out nicely. I bought the 12" radius 4" aluminum tube, the blue silicone 3.5-4'' 90 degree reducer, the S&B 9" filter and some t-clamps. I plan on drilling a hole for the gas recirc hose and using a grommet for the IAT. I'll post some pics here when I am done. Thank you for such a clear step-by-step!

[MattRobertson]

No problemo. Be sure to post pics of your powdercoated finished product! I'd like to see that as would many here I am sure.

[GLN305]

No problemo. Be sure to post pics of your powdercoated finished product! I'd like to see that as would many here I am sure.

I sure will, I'm sure I can powdercoat for anyone that wants it once I am done and get to show my work. Not really looking to make cash doing it, just wanna help people out, ya know :)

[GLN305]

Got my version of the Frankintake done! It's not installed yet as I am taking the car to the stealershipfor warranty items. Here's my parts list:

S&B 9'' filter
siliconeintakes.com 3.5 to 4 inch 90 degree blue elbow
siliconeintakes.com 4'' and 3.5'' t-clamps
4'' aluminum pipe bent on a 12-inch radius from Global Tech
Textured black powdercoat from Eastwood

I have an old wall oven that I set on top of my table saw to bake parts LOL
I bought a returned powdercoat gun from Sears when they still had them for $30

I did the powdercoating myself obviously and if you need something done and the metal is clean of all coating and grease, PM me and I won't ask for anything more than for you to pay for materials and shipping. I don't wanna be a business, I just wanna help out.

On to the pics:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05549.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05551.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05552.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05554.jpg

[trent]

Very nice!!!

[MattRobertson]

Its starting to look like everyone is able to make these things look better than I do :-)

Hey I see you are the first to do a 12" radius. I have a 4" steel 90 on a 12" that someday I will use for a fender-pull F-V, but beyond that I haven's seen how the 12" fits in the engine bay. If possible take some pics and post them up!

[GLN305]

Its starting to look like everyone is able to make these things look better than I do :-)

Hey I see you are the first to do a 12" radius. I have a 4" steel 90 on a 12" that someday I will use for a fender-pull F-V, but beyond that I haven's seen how the 12" fits in the engine bay. If possible take some pics and post them up!


I will take some pics ASAP. Honestly it fits well, just doesn't poke the end of the filter so far down in the stock airbox area. I love the looks, at least when I was mocking it up.

[TxSwimDad]

Very nice work Glenn!

[GLN305]

Very nice work Glenn!


thanks!!:magburno:

[MattRobertson]

I will take some pics ASAP. Honestly it fits well, just doesn't poke the end of the filter so far down in the stock airbox area. I love the looks, at least when I was mocking it up.
The ones with the tighter radii will rest on that shelf. How does yours stay up? What supports it if it doesn't go all the way down?

[GLN305]

The ones with the tighter radii will rest on that shelf. How does yours stay up? What supports it if it doesn't go all the way down?


Well, I only mocked it up, but I am making a bracket that will allow me to use the T-Bolt and the stock air box mounting point...if it works well I'll share the idea.

[MattRobertson]

ahhh. Don't know if it will work but look at the F-III thread for another idea that we used with that version. You may be able to adapt it if you need to. Mine is still on the car. Totally rock solid as a padded hardpoint. Letting gravity do the work was enough on that intake.

[netnathan]

I will take some pics ASAP. Honestly it fits well, just doesn't poke the end of the filter so far down in the stock airbox area. I love the looks, at least when I was mocking it up.

Did the 4" pipe on a 12" radius from Global Tech come that length or did you have to cut it?
It looks like an even distance from each end to the apex of the bend. The original F-IV pipe design is longer from the 90 to the bend than from the bend to the filter.
Is this because of the 12" radius?

..

[MattRobertson]

Is this because of the 12" radius?

Yes, it is.

[GLN305]

ahhh. Don't know if it will work but look at the F-III thread for another idea that we used with that version. You may be able to adapt it if you need to. Mine is still on the car. Totally rock solid as a padded hardpoint. Letting gravity do the work was enough on that intake.


OK, I'll check that out. thanks!

[GLN305]

Did the 4" pipe on a 12" radius from Global Tech come that length or did you have to cut it?
It looks like an even distance from each end to the apex of the bend. The original F-IV pipe design is longer from the 90 to the bend than from the bend to the filter.
Is this because of the 12" radius?

..
I had to cut it to length, it comes about 2 feet long. One thing alot of people don't know is that a miter saw made for cutting wood will easily cut aluminum, so you can get a really straight cut that way.

[GLN305]

Intake is in! Pics:

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05561.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05562.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05564.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05565.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05566.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05567.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b324/GLN305/Magnum%20Engine/DSC05568.jpg

[GLN305]

Man the pics look horrible...flash makes everything look terrible!

[MattRobertson]

If you've got Photoshop, use no flash and then adjust the curves up so the whole pic is brighter. You can turn night into day without a flash.

So did you bend/form that bracket? Where'd you get that? Looks handy.

[GLN305]

If you've got Photoshop, use no flash and then adjust the curves up so the whole pic is brighter. You can turn night into day without a flash.

So did you bend/form that bracket? Where'd you get that? Looks handy.


the bracket is a universal throttle return spring bracket from Auto Zone. I bent it to shape then powdercoated it....it comes in chrome.

[primalgeek]

Installed mine today and I LOOOOOOVE it. It looks great and really gives the car a more throaty sound, cant wait for my Diablo to show up so I can see what a difference the new tune will make.

Thanks a ton for sharing this design.

Charles

[mx_mayhem]

Installed mine today and I LOOOOOOVE it. It looks great and really gives the car a more throaty sound, cant wait for my Diablo to show up so I can see what a difference the new tune will make.

Thanks a ton for sharing this design.

Charles


Lets see some pics!

[concussion]

a side note from some data logging a few weeks ago... dead on tune at WOT with my FIV turned into a rich tune at WOT with an Air Hammer.

Simply stated, the FIV was getting more air into the engine than the Air Hammer.

FIV for the win.

[rdougherty85]

Just ordered all the parts this morning for a dwshootist FIV build... CAN'T FREAKING WAIT!:banana:

Buddy of mine at work ordered a K&N for his truck (paid $370... yuck) and was all happy about it... lit a fire underneath ma arse to just make a FIV for myself! All parts shipped ended up costing me $163.77 exactly. Words can't explain the joy of doing something yourself AND saving $200 in the process!

Oh, btw, is he on here anymore? PMed him the other day, then checked to find out he hasn't been on since the beginning of December!!! (a blasphemy) But really, did he sell his car or just taking a hiatus?

Reason I ask, I ordered a 3.5 and 4 inch t clamp for the elbow to tube, but it looks as if the adapter he used comes with two clamps and the pics also show the 6x8 S&B filter with the plastic still on and a clamp with it. Don't suppose anyone know if those are the "good" (t bolt) clamps or not?

I'll report back after build complete.

[gooeytek]

If by 'adapter' you mean the velocity stack that goes from 4" to 6", then yea, that needs 2 clamps. It is only needed if you have a filter with a 6" inlet. The S&B 6x8 filter that is normally suggested has a 4" inlet and connects right on to the tube with a 4" t-clamp. The S&B 6x8 filter already has a velocity stack-shaped inlet that goes from 4" to the 6" base. The filters with the 6" inlet don't have that smooth transition, and is stepped rather than tapered.

[Jaywalkersw]

Almost finished with my FFIV. Still have some work to do on completing polishing the intake tube, but I will say I love the sound this thing makes.

I used the same rubber elbow and intake tube as was originally described, but I used the spectre velocity stack and coupler to mount a 6"ID x 9" SB powerstack filter. I think it turned out fairly well but I need more sand paper!

[gooeytek]

That's looking good right there. Try using some #000 steel wool to polish it.

[QwickSilverC]

I built the same one as dwshootist did as well :rock:

[Jaywalkersw]

000 Steel wool...Ill have to give that a try. I got it that far with some 320grit and a dremel with some polishing compound.

[rdougherty85]

I know that the adapter requires two clamps to it, referencing the dwshootist build. My question is:
On the summit website it says that two clamps are included. Just making sure that they actually come with them or not. Secondly, does the filter (i ordered the 6" inlet, not the tapered to 4") come with a clamp also?

[MattRobertson]

The filter comes with a simple hose clamp. Intakehoses.com has a 6" OD t-bolt clamp but I've never felt a need to use a monster clamp like that on the filter. What are you buying at Summit? The only thing I have sourced there is the velocity stack.

[Jaywalkersw]

If you are talking about the silicon adapter that lets you attach the spectre velocity stack to the pipe from global tech, then yes it comes with 2 hose clamps as shown in the picture. I am using those and they seem to be working very well. I am also just using the hose clamp that came with the SB filter that Matt is referring to. I got the velocity stack and coupler from summit.

[MattRobertson]

I don't use hose clamps unless I can't help it. I never thought of using a T-bolt clamp on a 6" filter base but discovered they exist this morning.

Years ago a slew of LX'rs made the infamous Arizona Banzai Run, where we took off thru the desert for hundreds of miles, practiced 'team driving' and ... well, lets say we set the LX record for sustained high rpm's, so I stay within the rules.

Anyway, those high sustained rpm's caused extended vibrations in the cars that gave us all an accelerated look at wear and tear (Among other things, many of us from that moment forward swore we would never leave the house without a big roll of industrial duct tape.). One thing that I saw on my own car was the intake coming apart due to the simple hose clamps coming loose.

Some kind of t-bolt or constant-torque clamp would fix this. I've driven like a nut on the race track many times and the intake staying on is a non-issue.

[rdougherty85]

Well then, I am ordering some T-bolt clamps apparently tomorrow! The spectre adapter (referenced in dwshootist's build), hold on, let me find the link... yeah, this thing:

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SPE-9771/

I actually got them today (second day ground for some reason) and answered the question myself. I'm NOT sure if the adapter is necessary (it doesn't look it) BUT it does look slightly more supportive than tube-stack-filter. This just makes it tube-adapter-stack-filter. Has two clamps, one to clamp the stack and one to clamp the tube. It fits like a glove onto the stack, even not being clamped yet.

Anyone else have to wait a while for the rubber elbow? I haven't received any e-mail traffic on my order I placed on wednesday from airflow innovations. No biggie, I will have parts trickling all week. Plus, ordered some Toyo Proxes 4 for my CSRT8 wheels! Can't wait to have those ugly 18" wheels w/winter tires off of my baby!

Another interesting thing... the global tech engineering is based in Excelsior Springs, MO, a mere hour and a half-ish from where I'm at. Just in case anyone decides to read this 27 page monster thread that's in the KC area and wants to save shipping (I paid $17, lol). Sorry all, I ramble!

[legmaker]

love all the stuff you guys are doing..... if anyone ever gets real frisky and wants to try something slightly different for a frank IV, check this out!!! LMI version of Matts original design!!! this picture shows a tube that has not been cut to size, so imagine the long side being about 3 - 4 inches shorter, but you get the idea!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/legmaker/lmiintake009.jpg (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/legmaker/lmiintake009.jpg)

[rdougherty85]

How much for that piece of work cost ya? Just for the tube I mean?

Oh, I guess I should have asked... how you clean these S&B filters? I am a newbie as far as air intakes are concerned, as this is my first. What should I do after I get it on the car? Or is it good to go til I gotta clean it? I bought a blue filter if that makes any difference.

[MattRobertson]

if anyone ever gets real frisky and wants to try something slightly different for a frank IV, check this out!!!
Wow! That looks kewl! One thought: how tough would it be to smooth out that radius some?

And I bet if someone wants cf they would also look kindly on it bending its own elbow to the throttle body like your AirHammers do.

No clue on what that'd do to cost or demand. Just thinking out loud. Good show!

[scott birge]

Chris,
How or where could a firefighter (or anybody else) from Naples get Carbon fiber 4 inch tubing that has a bend in it if we didn't know how to make prostetics? I know you have mentioned before that CF doesn't do anything for you since you look at it all day, but that would look great in my engine bay.

love all the stuff you guys are doing..... if anyone ever gets real frisky and wants to try something slightly different for a frank IV, check this out!!! LMI version of Matts original design!!! this picture shows a tube that has not been cut to size, so imagine the long side being about 3 - 4 inches shorter, but you get the idea!

http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/legmaker/lmiintake009.jpg (http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f390/legmaker/lmiintake009.jpg)

[legmaker]

How much for that piece of work cost ya? Just for the tube I mean?

Oh, I guess I should have asked... how you clean these S&B filters? I am a newbie as far as air intakes are concerned, as this is my first. What should I do after I get it on the car? Or is it good to go til I gotta clean it? I bought a blue filter if that makes any difference.

the tube is part of the cf frankentake IV kits that i sell. that entire kit is only 199.99. just the tube would be around 125. the s&b filter is like any other oiled filter. i use the k&n cleaner kit for mine.

Wow! That looks kewl! One thought: how tough would it be to smooth out that radius some?

And I bet if someone wants cf they would also look kindly on it bending its own elbow to the throttle body like your AirHammers do.

No clue on what that'd do to cost or demand. Just thinking out loud. Good show!

smoothing the radius would mean reworking my mold. not impossible, but a bit of work. keep in mind, the way i fabricate with cf, i work off of positive molds. what that means is that after i laminate the cf tube i have to remove the mold from the inside. this particular mold is a multi-piece unit that unbolts and then can be removed in pieces. lots of machine work to redo it!!

as for the 90 bend to the tb..... that would be almost impossible for me to do. i can work one bend in a mold, but having more than one bend, coupled with the bends on different planes...... that would make de-molding the tube impossible.....would look cool though!! lol

Chris,
How or where could a firefighter (or anybody else) from Naples get Carbon fiber 4 inch tubing that has a bend in it if we didn't know how to make prostetics? I know you have mentioned before that CF doesn't do anything for you since you look at it all day, but that would look great in my engine bay.

just let me know and i could take care of you in a hurry!!! just made a handful more frank IV tubes today!!! lol

[mx_mayhem]

Matt once again thanks a ton! Just got the cuts finished up and it looks great! As soon as my other parts arrive its off to powdercoat and then I'll post some pics!

[mx_mayhem]

bahaha just got to drive it.. AMAZING..

[Sublimeon22s]

A buddy of mine wants to build one this coming week.............what size hole do you drill in the elbow for the IAT sensor? Has anyone that went to this unit from a stock box noticed a decrease in MPG at all NOT related to being on the pedal more, but timing being pulled or the car running richer, etc?

[mx_mayhem]

^Sorry I had intake prior to this this but I'm sure someone will chime in with mpg stats.

The hole for the Iat sensor is 3/4" from the frankintake III instructions

[MattRobertson]

The hole for the Iat sensor is 3/4" from the frankintake III instructionsSomewhere in there I also mentioned that you could go commando on the grommet and drill a smaller hole... since we are using a rubber elbow its possible to just push the sensor directly into it provided the hole is drilled undersized a bit. I don't remember which of the two sizes 3/4" goes with so check the F-III build thread, which has the detailed specs and to-do list in it.

[300C_DC]

I was thinking of modifying my mopar intake into a cold air bumper mount. I was going to use the 90 elbow you referenced but I measured the hole where the "box" was and I can only get a 3.5" tube in there. You referenced a 4" tube, do you know if they make the exact same pipe w/ the 45 bend you referenced but in 3.5"? and do you think reducing to 3.5 will hurt performance? I figure w/ the cost of the tube and elbow it would be $40-50 to do this change. not too expensive for someone who already has an intake and wants to modify it.

[MattRobertson]

You can make your own, no problem. Just go 3.5" start to finish (you may as well) and for about $100 you will have the same steel fender-pull intake that other guys are charging $400 for.

Yes reducing to 3.5" will reduce performance. Less air moving thru the tube, and more restriction thanks to the additional 90-degree bend. You will get cooler air ... and less air. However some tests I have heard of show that, if strip racing is your bag, a fender-pull intake reduces 6-foot times because the first second or so of air at WOT is not hot.

The Frankentake V design is a fender-pull that utilizes a 4" tube having a 12" radius 90-degree bend down. You need to modify the hole to get 4" all the way down low. Speaking personally - especially after the results of the Street Heat tests - I wouldn't bother with a fender pull intake unless it was 4" all the way thru and had the smoothest possible radius down.

BTW you can buy a single steel piece with a long radius for your 3.5" project for about $25 and forget about that rubber elbow. Better materials and cost about the same I bet. Maybe even less.

[concussion]

I went commando on the IAT, and I've had no issues.