View Full Version : anyone take front sway bars off
USCG Charger
11-02-2008, 03:05 PM
I know the truck guys have great success w/removing their front sway bars so the truck can squat and hook better....
Has anyone in the LX world done this?
formerice
11-02-2008, 06:32 PM
For drag racing, the only benefit would be slightly reduced weight, bars are hollow and not very heavy. I think what would work better exclusively for drag racing would be a set of worn out SE shocks, that would let the front end lift higher and faster= better traction. The truck guys sometimes remove sway bars for going off road, or in the case of the Dodge Powerwagons, electric disconnets.
USCG Charger
11-02-2008, 06:35 PM
the truck guys that drag race remove them so the front will come up and make the rear squat causing better traction
InferAl
11-02-2008, 07:45 PM
the truck guys that drag race remove them so the front will come up and make the rear squat causing better traction
Yup to transfer more weight to the rear tires
USCG Charger
11-02-2008, 07:48 PM
so my question is... why dont we do this?
Charg-um@BMC Performance
11-02-2008, 08:30 PM
That makes no sense, A anti-roll bar has nothing to do with that.
In a launch, both front wheels move in unison.
A roll bar only works when one wheel is trying to move independant of the oposite wheel.
That makes no sense, A anti-roll bar has nothing to do with that.
In a launch, both front wheels move in unison.
A roll bar only works when one wheel is trying to move independant of the oposite wheel.
Thank you for pointing out what should have been obvious.
formerice
11-02-2008, 09:20 PM
I will say, the front sway bar on my Ram is massive, if it is solid, it must weigh a ton! My Ram launches pretty good for a 6,000lb whale, 2.2 sec 60' times. Fat 275/60/20's bite very well. 33" dia
USCG Charger
11-02-2008, 09:28 PM
That makes no sense, A anti-roll bar has nothing to do with that.
In a launch, both front wheels move in unison.
A roll bar only works when one wheel is trying to move independant of the oposite wheel.
Thank you for pointing out what should have been obvious.
I was simply asking b/c all the truck guys swear by this.......Whats obvious to some might not be to others..... who woulda thought u two CATS would know so much about are cars! lol :doh:
crhemi
11-02-2008, 10:28 PM
This was discussed some time ago. I'll try to find the thread.
USCG Charger
11-02-2008, 10:38 PM
This was discussed some time ago. I'll try to find the thread.
thx bro...
AlbertaAMX
11-03-2008, 12:45 AM
They take them off for the simple weight reason, offroad guys have disconnects so they Flex better.
Old Style bars were always solid, and bloody heavy. 30 pounds off the nose is nothing to sneeze at.
2005rtmag
11-03-2008, 07:34 PM
Taking them off just for drag racing may be okay. However, if you drive your car on the highway, taking the front bar off will change the handling (read oversteer) and make your car dangerous to drive.
Charg-um@BMC Performance
11-03-2008, 08:14 PM
Ok, if it was for weight, then that makes a lot of sense.
no there are alot of people that disconnect the front sways it will allow more weight transfer to the rear. i have not seen many doing it on our cars but mustangs and lsx guy do it all the time.
hemiwagn
11-03-2008, 08:46 PM
Jmatt did it.
I talked to him about it and I tried it last week.
did it help? hard to tell.
will i do it next time? probably not unless I am within miliseconds of some kind of record.
USCG Charger
11-03-2008, 09:36 PM
no there are alot of people that disconnect the front sways it will allow more weight transfer to the rear. i have not seen many doing it on our cars but mustangs and lsx guy do it all the time.
thats what I was thinking,,, thx for the reply
come on guys. It has nothing to do with weight per say. Its all about weight transfer. With the bar removed the front end will tend to pull up more on the left front side pushing the rear right tire to the ground. The body will flex to the right with the torque of the engine. if the bar is in place it will hold the care square to the ground not allowing the extra pressure to transfer to the rear. This was very common back in the day. The reason its not done to our modern cars is becaus the spring weight ratios and suspensions are far superior than the good old days. If you did this it would probably only drop your quarter mile by a tenth if that much. If you had full solid motor and tranny mounts then it would benifit you more.
I miss the solid motor mount no sway bar brocken shock traction bar days. So much easier.
USCG Charger
11-03-2008, 10:20 PM
a .1 is a lot
Dont know. I never fought for a tenth. if you remove the sway bar then you should have your car towed to the track. Its gonna feel like your driving a bus.
USCG Charger
11-03-2008, 10:29 PM
remove it at the track
work on your reaction time first. Race it the same way you drove it to the track.
2005rtmag
11-03-2008, 11:43 PM
0.1 seconds in a quarter is about a car length which is a bunch in a quarter mile.
formerice
11-04-2008, 12:34 AM
Ok, now I know you guys are talking about, still not sure that it's gonna make you faster, but what ta heck. There is a girl at my local track with a Mustang GT that has no sway bar, giant drag radials and skinny front tires. She lifts the drivers front tire a good 6" on every launch. I raced her and clobbered her, she was hitting the 60 ' mark in 1.988 sec to my 1.8 and her 1/8 mile time was 8.902/ 79.09 mph to my 7.990/ 88.7 mph. I clobbered her but she lifted a front wheel. Be ready with the camera, if you do it, you could be the first to pop a wheelie!
DanRHeller
11-04-2008, 12:45 AM
Removal of the front sway bar allows for better weight transfer. It allowes the nose to fly up more causing the rear of the car to squat more, therefore having more weight over the rear wheels giving a better launch.
DanRHeller
11-04-2008, 12:48 AM
Ok, now I know you guys are talking about, still not sure that it's gonna make you faster, but what ta heck. There is a girl at my local track with a Mustang GT that has no sway bar, giant drag radials and skinny front tires. She lifts the drivers front tire a good 6" on every launch. I raced her and clobbered her, she was hitting the 60 ' mark in 1.988 sec to my 1.8 and her 1/8 mile time was 8.902/ 79.09 mph to my 7.990/ 88.7 mph. I clobbered her but she lifted a front wheel. Be ready with the camera, if you do it, you could be the first to pop a wheelie!
Well her car is pretty poorly built or it is all high end power. If you pull the wheels and only cut a 1.9.....you have a weird scenario. I pulled a 1.58 and didn't pull them.
slideway
11-04-2008, 12:51 AM
Took mine off a couple weeks ago, weights about 30# or so. I figured I would due the fall racing without it and see if it helps lower times. Only got to run one event so far but seems to help a little. As far as handling goes I can't even tell the differance without it but I don't go crazy on the street anyway. I'll need a few more runs to tell how much removing it helps.
Removal of the front sway bar allows for better weight transfer. It allowes the nose to fly up more causing the rear of the car to squat more, therefore having more weight over the rear wheels giving a better launch.
With our suspension geometry, you want the weight transfer, but not the squat. When our rears squat, they toe in drastically, that scrubs speed.
Oh ya, one more thing. The V6 crowd don't have sways. Now mind you, they are slightly lighter, but I would bet your not creating a dangerous condition with it removed. Me, I don't want the car to twist like that aaaaaannnnnddd I don't want to have to figure out tire pressures to compensate for loading of the rears at launch (if your so inclined to be that detailed).
MOL SRT-8
11-04-2008, 02:02 AM
the only advantage to removing the front sway bar is the reduction of weight. the front end will come up faster but not any higher.
pulling the front tire off the ground will hurt your et (unless you are useing super stock style suspension) the front end going up takes energy away from the car going forward. are cars are way to heavy up front to have any benefits from lifting the front wheels. and squating the rear with irs is just taking away from the contact patch of the rear tires, a little is fine but alot is not good.
DanRHeller
11-04-2008, 11:04 AM
With our suspension geometry, you want the weight transfer, but not the squat. When our rears squat, they toe in drastically, that scrubs speed.
I neglected to say that, I also ran no bar on a solid rear car....with an IRS system no front sway does little to nothing.
DanRHeller
11-04-2008, 11:06 AM
the only advantage to removing the front sway bar is the reduction of weight. the front end will come up faster but not any higher.
pulling the front tire off the ground will hurt your et (unless you are useing super stock style suspension) the front end going up takes energy away from the car going forward. are cars are way to heavy up front to have any benefits from lifting the front wheels. and squating the rear with irs is just taking away from the contact patch of the rear tires, a little is fine but alot is not good.
Think about that for a second.....the faster the nose comes up, the more weight over the rear end quicker, the less the tires spin.....sounds like more of a weight transfter gain than a weight gain.(when i say nose come up I mean the shift of weight, not dangling the wheels)
As far as pulling the tires you're 100% right.
MOL SRT-8
11-04-2008, 12:31 PM
Think about that for a second.....the faster the nose comes up, the more weight over the rear end quicker, the less the tires spin.....sounds like more of a weight transfter gain than a weight gain.(when i say nose come up I mean the shift of weight, not dangling the wheels)
As far as pulling the tires you're 100% right.
both statements are 100% right. the only reason that the front comes up quicker is the reduction of weight and the lack of resistence from the sway bar
DanRHeller
11-04-2008, 05:33 PM
both statements are 100% right. the only reason that the front comes up quicker is the reduction of weight and the lack of resistence from the sway bar
Nooo. General rule is every 100lbs is good for .1 How is the 30lbs sway bar good for .1-.15? It's not the weight, it's the transfer of energy that you gain.
InferAl
11-04-2008, 08:08 PM
Just weighed it __18 pounds, feels heavier but the scale don't lie
JonzMgnm
11-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Oh ya, one more thing. The V6 crowd don't have sways.
Cam, I thought the V6 LXes had a smaller diameter front sway and no rear sway.
If I'm wrong then....:tinfoilhat:
Cam, I thought the V6 LXes had a smaller diameter front sway and no rear sway.
If I'm wrong then....:tinfoilhat:
Ya know John, I really don't know for a fact. :sad:
At the risk of sounding like some V8 elitist fag. I've never looked or paid any attention. I know they don't have the rears, but you might be right about the fronts.
JonzMgnm
11-04-2008, 08:28 PM
Ya know John, I really don't know for a fact. :sad:
At the risk of sounding like some V8 elitist fag. I've never looked or paid any attention. I know they don't have the rears, but you might be right about the fronts.
Any V6 owners wanna chime in and put the V8 elitist fag in his place?:Na_Na_Na_Na:
Any V6 owners wanna chime in and put the V8 elitist fag in his place?:Na_Na_Na_Na:
/me looks around for the 6r crowd. http://www.srtconnection.com/forums/images/smilies2/sweat.gif
MOL SRT-8
11-04-2008, 09:10 PM
Nooo. General rule is every 100lbs is good for .1 How is the 30lbs sway bar good for .1-.15? It's not the weight, it's the transfer of energy that you gain.
i never said how much you would pick up. i meant both my statements are true. beside that 100lbs rule is b.s. it all depends on power to weight ratio and car setup. sometimes removing lbs hurts the setup.
1362#Sublime
11-04-2008, 10:14 PM
Yes the sway trys to keep the car level, but if you look at how it is held in place, the rubber bushing still cause a good amount of resestance to move the hole bar up and down due to friction, Kind of like the old school shock set up.
And picking up the front tire off the ground is not new is it? I have a new sweet pic of my charger picking the tire off the ground.
And picking up the front tire off the ground is not new is it? I have a new sweet pic of my charger picking the tire off the ground.
UM!, you better post that cause your the man if ya have. :not_worth
USCG Charger
11-04-2008, 10:49 PM
I'll take my sway bar off just to simply do a wheelie....... I dont care if I go mid 12's lol
slideway
11-05-2008, 12:22 AM
Just weighed it __18 pounds, feels heavier but the scale don't lieAl, Do you or anybody know if the rt and srt sways are the same or not? thanks
slideway
11-05-2008, 12:32 AM
they are the same.
I guess it's just me getting old, thinking it felt like 30lbs. :mrgreen:
metgo
11-05-2008, 06:15 AM
Doesn't PPP have the sways bars taken off their car?
InferAl
11-05-2008, 09:07 AM
I guess it's just me getting old, thinking it felt like 30lbs. :mrgreen:
No it does feel heavier
Charger4Life
11-05-2008, 09:12 AM
No it does feel heavier
how hard is this to remove at the drag strip????
slideway
11-05-2008, 01:07 PM
how hard is this to remove at the drag strip????
You don't want to do that at the track if you can do it easier and safer at a shop or home, It's doable at the track but you have to get the car pertty high to work reasonably underneath, Besides you'll be filthy for the rest of the day! At least the first time take your time on a safe jack setup or lift!
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