sts turbos

[kaosanddoom]

ok, i have recently purchased a 2007 dodge magnum srt8(found a brand new one at a dealer for a steal) and already want more power. looking really hard at this sts turbo kit but was wondering if anyone on here has any experience with them on their car. i know i saw one car on the forum that had one but didn't see much about it. any info on things like car longevity, rwhp or dyno numbers, fuel economy, stuff like that. any info is greatly appreciated.

[LQQKOUT]

I would suggest you stay away from STS until they get the kits on the road and have a few months of tuning on them. The first kits they designed for the LT1's and LS1's turned into disasters.

[SRT8U]

The kits are new but there are several kits installed on R&D cars that now have LOTS of miles on them woth no reported issues. The other option would be looking at Superchargers, we deal w/ Vortech and Procharger as well as STS so we can help you whichever way you decide to go. The S/C route is a bit easier of a bolt on application, and I can tell you from personal experience it is reliable...I drive mine 40 miles a day :)

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Run a search, there is lots of info on here regarding turbos on the Hemi.

Tim - CIS

[kaosanddoom]

did the search, and found the cis kit to. now i am really hooked but really confused. i love the water/meth idea, i have it on my truck. but to all others out there, could i get some pros and cons of one system versus the other. it seems cis is much cheaper, but what about numbers, dyno charts, adjustability, and how they work with other mods. i know the info is probably in other threads somewhere, but i am a turbo noob, and alot of it doesn't make any sense to me.

[Rockinsrt8]

I have their twin turbo comming.Should have it on in a couple weeks. I'll let ya'll know how it goes

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

......now i am really hooked but really confused. ......but i am a turbo noob, and alot of it doesn't make any sense to me.

No matter who's or what power adder you are looking at, the first thing anyone needs to decide upon is just exactly what are your goals. There is a big difference between just wanting to add some additional power to a stock engine versus gong all out for a beast.

Starting out with products to augment a stock engine and drive train and then to later change the goal can lead to compatibility issues to what you have already purchased, so it is important to set a goal up front, and work with who or what you decide to go with to meet that goal.

I have done stock 5.7's, stock 6.1's, stroker engines, etc, and they vary widely.

If you have specific questions, PM me and or send me your number and I will be glad to give you a call.

Tim - CIS

[yambra]

Its kinda hard to say much about any of the turbo kits out there since there isn't much feed back out there. More people are going with the superchargers and nitrous. Personally I prefer turbos over superchargers or nitrous. I know a little about turbos so I'm working on building my own turbo set up, but if I was going to buy someone elses kit I'd probably go with a cis kit. And really the only reason I'd go with them is because they seem to be pretty resonsive to posts regarding turbos. I don't really know anything about there kit or what kind of power gains are claimed, but they seem like they would be easy to deal with if you had any questions or conserns

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

Its kinda hard to say much about any of the turbo kits out there since there isn't much feed back out there. More people are going with the superchargers and nitrous. Personally I prefer turbos over superchargers or nitrous. I know a little about turbos so I'm working on building my own turbo set up, but if I was going to buy someone elses kit I'd probably go with a cis kit. And really the only reason I'd go with them is because they seem to be pretty resonsive to posts regarding turbos. I don't really know anything about there kit or what kind of power gains are claimed, but they seem like they would be easy to deal with if you had any questions or conserns

I really appreciate your comments, makes me feel all good inside. I try to be as upfront an honest in my dealings as I can with everyone. I have a lot of information scattered throughout my forum posts, but that is part of the problem, it's scattered from being posted over time.

I really, really want to get a web site up so I can place all the pertinent data in one place. Problem is that I am soo busy, time is very scarce.

I am going to try to at least get some kind of a combined info sticky or something in our forum, but again, time is the issue.

If there are specific questions anyone has, please feel free to PM me directly and I will do my best to get right back to you in a day or so max.

You might want to check out the recent post by Irishchamp on his recent 392 turbo build.

Thanks,

Tim - CIS

[Bradyb]

STS has been around for a number of years now. I put 20,000 miles on as LS1 Camaro kit in 2005/2006, running 485 rear wheel horsepower at 8 PSI. It was awesome with no issues. STS has won engineering awards from GM, SEMA, the Press etc...
Their GTO kits put GTOs into the 9/8s, their Corvette kits have put C5/C6s into the 8s. They have a ton of experience under the belts. They were the first company to have a turbo kit for the Hemi/Ram but stopped production until reliable tuning could be provided with the kit.

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.

[roswald0511]

STS has been around for a number of years now. I put 20,000 miles on as LS1 Camaro kit in 2005/2006, running 485 rear wheel horsepower at 8 PSI. It was awesome with no issues. STS has won engineering awards from GM, SEMA, the Press etc...
Their GTO kits put GTOs into the 9/8s, their Corvette kits have put C5/C6s into the 8s. They have a ton of experience under the belts. They were the first company to have a turbo kit for the Hemi/Ram but stopped production until reliable tuning could be provided with the kit.

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.


Deffinately uncalled for!!!!

[DevilzTower]

I'm assuming Creative Induction Systems will be dealing with a nice patent infringement lawsuit from STS if they don’t stop selling knock off rear mount turbo kits. It’s amazing how much his kit looks like the STS LS1 GTO kit.

well, that wins .... as the most ignorant post of the day ... and to think ... I seem to rememeber CIS as the company who was working to patent their air induction design for their remote mount turbo system.....

ya know ... there's a reason that we don't call it "STS' remote mount turbo" when we talk of remote mounted turbos, is because it's not a new idea.

[Bradyb]

well, that wins .... as the most ignorant post of the day ... and to think ... I seem to rememeber CIS as the company who was working to patent their air induction design for their remote mount turbo system.....

ya know ... there's a reason that we don't call it "STS' remote mount turbo" when we talk of remote mounted turbos, is because it's not a new idea.

CIS is going to patent their air box idea or induction design?

CIS is in no way partnered with STS, correct?

The STS patent is 4-5 years old if I remember correctly. There's a patent that lists the turbo being mounted outside the engine bay and some others on the remote oil system as well.

If I'm off base here let me know.

[MagnumRT05]

CIS is going to patent their air box idea or induction design?

CIS is in no way partnered with STS, correct?

The STS patent is 4-5 years old if I remember correctly. There's a patent that lists the turbo being mounted outside the engine bay and some others on the remote oil system as well.

If I'm off base here let me know.
Their patent isnt very clear. Remote mount and anything outside of the engine bay. There are a multitude of kits out that are low-mount and the CIS mid-mount kit. STS puts their turbos behind the rear axle (at least on the kits Ive seen). CIS's is in front of the axle. RDP's/Fastlane Inc is near the cats. And thats just naming a few of the companies that have kits that arent in the engine bay. So if they are infringing on a patent, then STS is gonna make alot of money, but Im sure these other companies know what they are doing. And Im betting that the STS kits will make the least power outta all of them:)

[Bradyb]

Here it is again for this thread, and yes STS knows about CIS and is working on it.

Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. Awarded Patents
On June 8th, 2004 Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. was awarded a patent on remote mounting a turbocharger.
U.S. Patent 6,745,568 "Turbo System and Method of Installing"
On November 14th, 2006 Squires Turbo Systems, Inc. was awarded another patent on remote mounting a turbocharger.
U.S. Patent 7,134,282 "Turbo System and Method of Installing"
The key areas of the patent include the remote location of the turbo (mounting the turbocharger outside of the engine bay), the oiling system and the passive charge intercooling. Other patents are pending in the U.S. as well as Internationally. Licensing programs are currently in place and available for parties interested in using remote mount technology. Please contact STS for information on licensing programs.
"We are honored to receive these patents and excited about the future of remote-mounted turbocharging. We hope that this technology will allow many more people to enjoy the increased power and efficiency of turbocharging their vehicles."

Rick Squires - Founder of Squires Turbo Systems, Inc.

[Bradyb]

Just looking at the above pic it looks like there's about twice as many bends as there needs to be on the CIS kit. The exhaust pipe off the turbine has 4 bends to push through, wow. I also love how the charge pipe runs up right past the hot exhaust manifold. Has CIS heard of a large radius bend before?

That kit reminds me of the STS's first kit 5 years ago that was running on an old LT1 Camaro.

[done]

Here it is again for this thread, and yes STS knows about CIS and is working on it.



So what is your skin in this game that makes you a player instead of a troll?

[Bradyb]

Also, to get the thread back on topic. The STS LX twin turbo kit won the SEMA Global Media Award on a Challenger last month at SEMA.

[hifees]

Wow who pissed in your cool aid.

[Bradyb]

I'm still trying to talk my boss lady into putting a STS kit on our family car, that's what brought me back to the forum.

I worked at STS helping to create their east-coast dealer program. I know how hard STS has worked to get where they are today. STS changed the industry and created acceptance for their rear mounted turbo systems by themselves. Four years ago nobody believed that a gutter sucking rear mount turbo would perform or make much power; it was a tough battle to fight. I apologize, but when you have your good friends working hard to create a profitable business you tend to watch out for them. Have any of you mortgaged your homes to start your own business before, it’s tough and you pay your dues. I know how hard STS works to provide a good/innovative product and I’ll back them up, even now when I’m working at my boring corporate job.

I’m sorry but I can’t stomach someone showing up, taking the STS kit concept, adding their own “improvements” and calling it innovative and creative.

[hifees]

Well my friend this is the good ole use and if it wasnt for competition where would we be? Russia?

I understand you concern for your friends. What do you think ray croc did when burger king opened? Complain to his friends? No he became bigger, better and stronger. Again this is the good ole USA we all can work together. Im a GC if i felt as you did i would have enemys in every town in america. If someone can fill a need then so be it props to them. People are very smart and most do research before purchasing and if sts is the better way to go then thats where they will go reguardless.

Good day to you.

[srt007]

wow man did someone at cis b*ng your chick.theres no reason for you to put there stuff down especially the way cis gives good info and help on the forums. i mean seriously counting how many bends the kit has thats like cis counting how many dimples were on your girls ass while they were hittin it, it doesnt matter how many dimples it had it was still a good piece of ass,as cis has a good product:rock::boohoo::loser:

[Rockinsrt8]

Their patent isnt very clear. Remote mount and anything outside of the engine bay. There are a multitude of kits out that are low-mount and the CIS mid-mount kit. STS puts their turbos behind the rear axle (at least on the kits Ive seen). CIS's is in front of the axle. RDP's/Fastlane Inc is near the cats. And thats just naming a few of the companies that have kits that arent in the engine bay. So if they are infringing on a patent, then STS is gonna make alot of money, but Im sure these other companies know what they are doing. And Im betting that the STS kits will make the least power outta all of them:)
Here is my 300srt8 with sts twins
http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q318/howdee500/P10104652.jpg
Still tuning and havent gone to boost yet.
I dont think anyone could have such a broad patent as to claim all realestate other than the engine bay. I doubt anyone would see the CIS product as infringement. Now if they stick the turbo where the rear mufflers were....

[Bradyb]

I've said my peace for STS vs CIS but Tim I would encourage you to at least refrain from marketing through the STS threads.

With a stock AWD R/T Charger on a 4-wheel dyno I do know STS kit put down an additional 175 HP at the wheels with an amazing additional 230'Ib trq just running 6 PSI. That was intercooled with no methanol. They pretty much had full torque at 2300 RPMS which would make for a real fun stop light racer/daily driver.

RockinSRT8, it will be interesting to see what you do with your car.

[Bradyb]

i mean seriously counting how many bends the kit has thats like cis counting how many dimples were on your girls ass while they were hittin it

When you have a remote turbo sucking exhaust through two cats and 12 feet of tubing and then pushing it out through another 8 feet of tail pipe with 12 bends total, all that volume and restriction really is going to hurt your responsiveness and efficiency.

If you are engineering your very own hot cyborg girlfriend are you going to go with the Victoria Secret model or Rosie O’Donnel?

[Frozen_]

wait so BMC says STS has cars driving around, yet rockinsrt8 is still tuning and still hasnt gone in to boost.

rockinsrt8 im not knocking on you at all. Im just questioning what was said by others.

[Bradyb]

wait so BMC says STS has cars driving around, yet rockinsrt8 is still tuning and still hasnt gone in to boost.

rockinsrt8 im not knocking on you at all. Im just questioning what was said by others.

STS as their R&D Chargers/300s and Challengers driving around. Bu they don't have the install pics or dyno graphs up at their website yet. STS has a ton or projects going on like their new $100K 700 horse LS7 Corvette they'll be building 50 of.


http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/SEMA_2008_-_ZR7_rear_1.jpg

http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/SEMA_2008_-_Booth_Front_Left.jpg

[hifees]

Why is that a big deal the car is 635+ 700 hp at the wheels at a 100k. And your worried about cis? If i was to do it i like the idea of turbos but right now hands down superchargers are number 1

[Frozen_]

that in no way answered my question.

Basically from that i got. STS has LX's running around, yet have no tuning. And they stopped caring about the LX's and only care about some 100k vette. Did they ever care about the LX's? never seemed like it.....

[Rockinsrt8]

that in no way answered my question.

Basically from that i got. STS has LX's running around, yet have no tuning. And they stopped caring about the LX's and only care about some 100k vette. Did they ever care about the LX's? never seemed like it.....
lets hope that ain't the case!

[SRT8U]

that in no way answered my question.

Basically from that i got. STS has LX's running around, yet have no tuning. And they stopped caring about the LX's and only care about some 100k vette. Did they ever care about the LX's? never seemed like it.....

They have had a 5.7L charger on the road since last year...we have pics and video of a test car in our forums we posted that info months ago.

[Bradyb]

that in no way answered my question.

Basically from that i got. STS has LX's running around, yet have no tuning. And they stopped caring about the LX's and only care about some 100k vette. Did they ever care about the LX's? never seemed like it.....

Hey smart guy, where you at SEMA this year? Did you see the STS Charger winning awards and picking up press? Based on the reviews and recognition STS got for their new LX kits I would think that yes they are interested. The world is much bigger then this small forum my friend and STS is much bigger then making one kit or building one car at a time.

Like I said, this is a new kit for STS. They usually make sure their cars stay together first. Their very first kits were fabbed together months ago. They then installed the kit on a 300 and then waited for the Challenger.

And by the way, you can't just tune with Methanol for a daily driver. People are too stupid for their own good and you need to package a complete kit that the average person can bolt on, reflash their computer with and then drive like a stock car. Some guy relying on a Methanol injection kit is going to be hosed eventually, injector plugs, pump goes out, relay dies, girlfirend drives around after running out of methanol, etc...
Methanol is just a band aid when you can't tune the motor. I had my car cruising around at 5 PSI tuned but I just used methanol to cover tuning so I could flip a switch and run 3 more PSI and be fine for my a/f ratio.
Running meth as a daily driver also gets you the same problems you had with the 9th/10th injector BS. The 7th and 8th cylinders run lean and start burning up pistons thanks to the intake manifold design. All the fuel doesn't make it back to the end of the manifold when your injecting methanol/fuel at the throttle body.

[MagnumRT05]

And by the way, you can't just tune with Methanol for a daily driver. People are too stupid for their own good and you need to package a complete kit that the average person can bolt on, reflash their computer with and then drive like a stock car. Some guy relying on a Methanol injection kit is going to be hosed eventually, injector plugs, pump goes out, relay dies, girlfirend drives around after running out of methanol, etc...
Methanol is just a band aid when you can't tune the motor. I had my car cruising around at 5 PSI tuned but I just used methanol to cover tuning so I could flip a switch and run 3 more PSI and be fine for my a/f ratio.
Running meth as a daily driver also gets you the same problems you had with the 9th/10th injector BS. The 7th and 8th cylinders run lean and start burning up pistons thanks to the intake manifold design. All the fuel doesn't make it back to the end of the manifold when your injecting methanol/fuel at the throttle body.
Interesting. I believe there are thousands and thousands of miles on the CIS kit with this meth stuff. And meth is nothing new. This band-aid is very prominent in Supras and turbo applications. Show me pumps going out and all the side effects you mention. And I can run my car months on no meth because I am not in boost until I give the car a good amount of throttle. So if you run out of it, dont floor the car.

STS is a waste of time. How long is it gonna take them to develop a kit already? Id put my old CIS kit up against the STS one anyday:thumbs_u:

[Frozen_]

Hey smart guy, where you at SEMA this year? Did you see the STS Charger winning awards and picking up press? Based on the reviews and recognition STS got for their new LX kits I would think that yes they are interested. The world is much bigger then this small forum my friend and STS is much bigger then making one kit or building one car at a time.

Like I said, this is a new kit for STS. They usually make sure their cars stay together first. Their very first kits were fabbed together months ago. They then installed the kit on a 300 and then waited for the Challenger.

And by the way, you can't just tune with Methanol for a daily driver. People are too stupid for their own good and you need to package a complete kit that the average person can bolt on, reflash their computer with and then drive like a stock car. Some guy relying on a Methanol injection kit is going to be hosed eventually, injector plugs, pump goes out, relay dies, girlfirend drives around after running out of methanol, etc...
Methanol is just a band aid when you can't tune the motor. I had my car cruising around at 5 PSI tuned but I just used methanol to cover tuning so I could flip a switch and run 3 more PSI and be fine for my a/f ratio.
Running meth as a daily driver also gets you the same problems you had with the 9th/10th injector BS. The 7th and 8th cylinders run lean and start burning up pistons thanks to the intake manifold design. All the fuel doesn't make it back to the end of the manifold when your injecting methanol/fuel at the throttle body.

oh boy they won a award at sema wooohooooo!!!! and ummm how many people are running their kits? And they have had a car on the road for a year? yet no tuning? how long does it take to tune a car?

I simply asked a simple question.

*waits for mr. defensive*

[SRT8U]

STS is a waste of time. How long is it gonna take them to develop a kit already? Id put my old CIS kit up against the STS one anyday:thumbs_u:

Develop a kit? The LX kit has been out all year.

[MagnumRT05]

Develop a kit? The LX kit has been out all year.
You know what I mean, develop a running kit. You guys have been advertising this kit for almost a year now (way back in March). Then you take pre-orders in June and STS states it will be shipping July/August. Now we still have nothing. How hard is it really to tune this kit or whatever is going on? Are the gains not what they were expected to be with the turbo at the rear bumper? Is lag terrible because of that? Youve got me interested here...

[SRT8U]

Here is all the info
http://www.bmcspeedshop.com/product_p/sts-hemi-2.htm
http://www.bmcspeedshop.com/product_p/sts-hemi-1.htm
http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/2081904/catalog/stscharger.jpg
http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/2081904/catalog/Charger-Engine-Final.jpghttp://estore.websitepros.com/stores/2081904/catalog/DSC06143.jpg

Some Vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiJZxBOwJZ8&eurl=http://www.chargerforumz.com/showthread.php?t=63782
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FX3iViG-ug&feature=related

[DevilzTower]

1. No wonder bradyb thought the CIS kit had so many bends ... the STS kit doesn't replace anything until after the resonators ... then run straight back down the length of the bodywork to get to the front mounted intercooler. I have to say, I'm not all that impressed with that solution for the LX, that's going to F up ground clearance. Don't go over too many speed bumps ... I was more impressed with the way STS snaked the boost tubes on the C6 application, through the bodywork, fenders and such.

2. Water/Meth injection is not a patch or a catch-can for poor tuning, it just hasn't become popular again until the last few years when the turbo market really kicked off. You can build safety measures into the system so you don't toast a motor when you run out of meth, just takes a little tinkering.

3. Single port systems normally have problems with even distribution to ensure all cylinders get the proper amount of mix, why do you think we went away from carburators ... a proper way to do meth and nitrous injection is direct port, just costs a few extra bucks ... either direct tap into the intake runners or I've seen really sweet nitrous setup that was running a spacer plate between the intake and heads to have the nitrous ports there, but I can't remember the vendor ... I'm sure the crew will remember.

4. In a prior post ... one was talking about all those pipe bends contributing to head loss through the system contributing to lag, etc ... well what do you think a front mounted intercooler after 12 ft of pipe is going to do? A big increase in the overall air volume of the system, which will lead to turbo lag ... hmmm, now W/M injection doesn't sound like such a bad idea.

[dudeiwin86]

in regardz to devilz...
there is at least one or more vendors making nitrous plates... FRI for one i know is, i think Bwoody makes one too (as in, goes in between the manifold and heads...)

aside from thar.. i have NEVER to this day seen a direct injection of meth on an LX...nitrous plate is not a bad idea for doing a DI for meth....

[roswald0511]

Do you guys have a data sheet with all the included parts?

Do you have any more pictures of the setup, including the oil lines?

Is the intercooler included in the kits, or is that seperate?

What are the turbo specs?

Have you guys fixed the problems with your oil pumps?





http://estore.websitepros.com/stores/2081904/catalog/Charger-Engine-Final.jpg


Is it just me, or does this look like an RDP CAI? (not accusing, just asking a question)

[DevilzTower]

in regardz to devilz...

aside from thar.. i have NEVER to this day seen a direct injection of meth on an LX...nitrous plate is not a bad idea for doing a DI for meth....

I haven't seen one either ... and I'm sure at the utilization levels required with the current low boost setups it's overkill for the amount of distribution pattern lost ... but it's the theoretically right way to do it ... and it would be more critical on a bigger setup trying to knock down more volume and heat than the current setups do in the 5-7 lb range (boost that is)

I was mostly responding to the comment that W/M was crap ... I'm sure the DOD thought it was crap when they put it on WWII warbirds ..

[Rockinsrt8]

that in no way answered my question.

Basically from that i got. STS has LX's running around, yet have no tuning. And they stopped caring about the LX's and only care about some 100k vette. Did they ever care about the LX's? never seemed like it.....
What makes you say that? Rick Squires the owner works with each customer emailing back and forth to fine tune. I am just at the begining of the process

[MadCharger]

The thing I would be concerned with is the location of the STS. I know that after a day at the track, my resonators have a good thick coating of rubber on them from the burnouts. Is there anything on that turbo that this would cause problems with - other than a strange burning rubber odor??

[Tim@NCTSLLC]

I've said my peace for STS vs CIS but Tim I would encourage you to at least refrain from marketing through the STS threads.

So let me get this right, you come in to a thread that is in a public area where I made some comments three months ago, then you jump over into MY Vendor forum and spew forth all types of accusations, insults, innuendos, AND post up information from your former employer who, by the way, is NOT a supporting vendor on here, and you are going to suggest that I have been marketing through an "STS" thread?????

My friend, you have some stones.....................

I have been on here for three years, everyone knows how I am, I don't screw people over, I do my research before I do anything, I don't go knock other peoples product, nor do I go and make insulting, biased posts such as you have in another vendors forum.

I strongly suggest that you leave my name and the CIS name out of any future posts by you, and unless you have some personal legal basis for it, you had better stop making accusations where you have no legal personal interest in it regardless whether it is toward me or anyone else.

Tim

[Rockinsrt8]

The thing I would be concerned with is the location of the STS. I know that after a day at the track, my resonators have a good thick coating of rubber on them from the burnouts. Is there anything on that turbo that this would cause problems with - other than a strange burning rubber odor??
I see what you mean, The lit they have does say the operating temp, given the location, is only about 175 deg, if I remember correctly. Thst wouldn't be much dif than any typical exhaust pipe. Guess we'll see though..HA!

[Bradyb]

Tim, I’ll stay out of your discussions on your posts. That’s STS’ battle to fight and their legal fees to pay. I apologize for being such a jackass but wow I’ve never seen anyone marketing a rear mount turbo kit as their own. By the way STS kits are not always just muffler swaps, the truck kits have the turbos below the cab, the Viper kit was up where you put your turbo.

Methanol is not a good solution for the average Joe that depends on his car as a daily driver. Methanol can be set up correctly with boost controllers, window switches, redundant relays, port injection, but are those safeguards included in your average turbo kit? You better know what you’re dealing with when you’re using it for tuning. I’ve seen plenty of disasters associated with inexperienced-home installers wiring up their snow injection kits wrong, one of my favorites was the guy that got confused and set up his own wiring and had the pump empty his methanol injection kit when the ignition was on. Hyrda-lock via meth is fun!
I’ll probably run 6 PSI on my Charger and then set up a boost controller and meth kit for 8-9 PSI.

Methanol injection in World War II aircraft was used with full military power, not exactly designed to keep an engine running for 2,000 hours by the way. ME109s had NO2 tanks as well ;).

I got a report back from STS; LX kits are back-ordered with another set of kits coming in soon for PRI. STS will be running a discount at PRI if you are going to be there. STS is behind on getting all the photos; dynos, install instructions, up on the site. They’ve been swamped with getting ready for SEMA/PRI, working on the F150 kits, Mustang upgrades, G35 kits, and building their super vette. Like I said STS has a much bigger world then this forum. There are no issues with tuning/kits and there are plenty of cars running with no additional R&D to do. I’m sorry if STS doesn’t make you all feel fuzzy and warm inside.

Personally I would be focusing on those idiots that spent $12K over MSRP for a Challenger and marketing to those guys that have more money then sense; Charger owners who bought their cars for $30-37K two years ago are now finding themselves $10-20K upside down on their 60 month auto loans. I watched some dealer auto auctions a couple days ago and low mileage R/Ts were going for $15K, SRT8s for $18K. It’s not too bright to spend another $5-6K on a car like that, but hey some of us couldn’t care less. ;)

[Bradyb]

The thing I would be concerned with is the location of the STS. I know that after a day at the track, my resonators have a good thick coating of rubber on them from the burnouts. Is there anything on that turbo that this would cause problems with - other than a strange burning rubber odor??

It wouldn't be too difficult to extend the inner wheel well/liner down a few inches more. Trimming a plastic mudflap to fit with a few machine screws would do it. The turbo assembly sits up pretty high where the muffs used to be. That’s why STS usually puts the turbos where the mufflers were; mufflers are big and the OEMs usually design a lot of space for them. It’s also really nice to be able to get to the filters with out having to put the car on a lift. I cleaned my filters with about every oil change and it was nice to just reach under and grab ‘em.

[CWHFSR]

It’s also really nice to be able to get to the filters with out having to put the car on a lift. I cleaned my filters with about every oil change and it was nice to just reach under and grab ‘em.

Where are the filters located? I can't see them from any of the pics. Are they close to the road? I wouldn't think that would do well in a state like FL with all the rain... but again, I have no idea where they are.

[Bradyb]

Where are the filters located? I can't see them from any of the pics. Are they close to the road? I wouldn't think that would do well in a state like FL with all the rain... but again, I have no idea where they are.

It’s probably a good thing you can’t see them. I see pipes above the turbo going up into the rear fascia? RockinSRT8 can you tell us?

As for Florida you should be fine, just don’t try and drive through any puddles that are deeper then the distance the filter is off the ground. My Camaro filter was ridiculously close to the ground and behind the rear tire. I didn’t have any problems driving year round with freeway slush/thunderstorm downpours. The Charger kits are a huge improvement on the old Fbody kit:
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/3150/2901/7873950048_large.jpg

[QCSRT8]

Just looking at the pictures of the STS on the LX car it seems that the turbos themselves are located fairly close to the rear quarter panels. How hot do the turbine housings get on the rear mount turbos, I dont see any coating? I wouldnt want to make a hot lap down the quarter and then be sitting in the parking lot baking something like paint.

[Rockinsrt8]

Just looking at the pictures of the STS on the LX car it seems that the turbos themselves are located fairly close to the rear quarter panels. How hot do the turbine housings get on the rear mount turbos, I dont see any coating? I wouldnt want to make a hot lap down the quarter and then be sitting in the parking lot baking something like paint.
These get nowhere near as hot as ones used in engine bay.

[roswald0511]

Do you guys have a data sheet with all the included parts?

Do you have any more pictures of the setup, including the oil lines?

Is the intercooler included in the kits, or is that seperate?

What are the turbo specs?

Have you guys fixed the problems with your oil pumps?




Still waiting to see if anyone can answer these questions.

[Bradyb]

Still waiting to see if anyone can answer these questions.

When STS gets their kit info up online these questions should all be answered.

The twin kit should include an intercooler.

The turbos should be the same as those in the Corvette twin kit.

As for problems with the oil pump, you'll have to explain what problems you've heard or know about.

I would go through the Corvette kit lists and pictures while keeping in the mind the Charger uses the same parts but with different pipes.

[Rockinsrt8]

[quote=Bradyb;1918104]

It’s probably a good thing you can’t see them. I see pipes above the turbo going up into the rear fascia? RockinSRT8 can you tell us?

As for Florida you should be fine, just don’t try and drive through any puddles that are deeper then the distance the filter is off the ground. My Camaro filter was ridiculously close to the ground and behind the rear tire. I didn’t have any problems driving year round with freeway slush/thunderstorm downpours. The Charger kits are a huge improvement on the old Fbody kit:



Yes that is the filters up in the rear quarters. I would estimate they are atleast 2' off the ground. No danger of flooding..

[Bradyb]

Here's the STS Dyno, a very nice power gain:
http://pi.b5z.net/i/u/1473169/i/pdir/3626/08_charger_5.7l_stock_vs_6psi.jpg