Do I have the most up-to-date software in my LX?

[DMAG]

Do I have the most up-to-date software in my LX?

Info contributed by TommyT.

v3.54 -- 2/25/04
v3.60 -- 6/11/04 -- has oil can display
v3.61 -- 7/27/04 -- has large digital speedometer
v4.04 -- 2/07/05
v4.05 -- 4/12/05

We will add subsequent versions as they come out.

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To check what version you have check out this Knowledge Base article by TommyT:

Putting the LX into diagnostic mode (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=11326)

[7thS0N]

I have version 3.60, dated 6/11/04, pn 04839559AK, and have the digital speedo (and oil can as already specified)...

[05MagnumRT]

Anyone know what changes there are in 4.04 or 4.05 from the previous versions? Any reasons to (or not to) upgrade from 3.61?

[MikeEast]

How about - "Do you .lose. any features by getting flashed?"

[MAGNUM8R]

I have the 3.61 and asked the dealer if they would flash to the newest software. They are not being very cooperative, like, why would we do that??

Sure would like to know the differences, these guys have sold me 4 new cars now, you think I would have their attention?? NOT!!

[BobF's 6POINT1]

They're a tough nut to crack. I just took my car in yesterday and complained about trans shifting and cold start rough idle and I got "could not reproduce" and "there are no updates"

I called them after I got hame and notified them of the TSBs and made sure they knew I was expecting them when I come in after my warranty stuff arrives.

[Brilliant R/T]

Ok so did I miss something? What's the new version doing for anyone? Should I ask to be flashed or not bother, I'm at 3.60.

[fnkychkn]

Ok so did I miss something? What's the new version doing for anyone? Should I ask to be flashed or not bother, I'm at 3.60.
look here

[BlkHemiMag]

look here

Okay, I've looked there and I guess I still have the question that Brilliant R/T posed: if there's an update out there, should I get it?
I've only half paid attention to this subject, but I have noticed once or twice people saying they've had rough idle fixed with the reflash and other anecdotal success stories. I'm just trying figure out if I should head to the dealer or not and arm myself with info if I do. Thanks in advance.

[fnkychkn]

PCM flashes will fix all kinds of running faults, including rough idle. do you have any specific concerns? just don't expect a PCM flash to update EVIC software version.

[BlkHemiMag]

do you have any specific concerns?

Not really, but it's one of those things where I don't know what I may be missing. Since this is the only Magnum RT I've ever driven I'd hate to think that what I consider "normal" operation is really in need of an update. Thanks for the clarification, I guess I'll just take it in and see if they can reflash all the big stuff... if nothing else I can try and get them to recalibrate for my new tire size.

[Scott]

Do I have the most up-to-date software in my LX?

Info contributed by TommyT.

v3.54 -- 2/25/04
v3.60 -- 6/11/04 -- has oil can display
v3.61 -- 7/27/04 -- has large digital speedometer
v4.04 -- 2/07/05
v4.05 -- 4/12/05

Does anyone's display actually indicate v4.04, v4.05, or v4.06? If so, it is a 2005 or 2006 model year? Do the v4.XX apply also to 2005's?

My dealer is willing to give me an update, but the service manager claims that the v4.05 or 4.06 is the version of the tool used to do the update, not the update itself. He claims that my 2005 Mag has the latest software. The display indicates v3.61.

Can anyone enlighten me? Thanks in advance -- Scott

[1CoolVMagnum]

I got the same thing from my dealer. says the CCN # that shows there is only the display version not the version for the main computer.

I dont know if this is true, just what I was told

[Phil Hunter]

Hi,

My car is a 2006 300C. It has version 4.05 dated 4/12/ 05 according to the display. My car runs fine and does not have any rough idle problems. It DOES however, have the outside air temp problem that has been mentioned in several previous posts.
1coolmagnum, you dealer is giving you a line of bull.


Phil

[1CoolVMagnum]

OK, if its bull, give me ammo. I need something concreate to go back with to get it done right. No offence to anyone here but, "..some guys on a web site told me.." just doesn't cut it.;)

Any of the Dodge techs want to chime in?
dash shows v3.61 pn 04839559AL
sticker under hood shows
Reprogram PCM: part#:4896415AI change authority:24-04-05

[done]

I got the same thing from my dealer. says the CCN # that shows there is only the display version not the version for the main computer.

I dont know if this is true, just what I was told

That is a true statement. This has been discussed here several times.

[jasonr_01]

MAGNUM8R

I just got my car reflashed on Tuesday and the service dept. manager asked me why i wanted it flashed and i told him "just because" for the most part. And he told me to just tell him i didn't like my fuel economy i was getting with my car and wanted the lastest software updates. In which good ol' warranty covered it and i noticed a huge difference in change from smoother idle, fast ac cooling and much more responsive motor, along with better shifting.

So i suggest just tell your dealer you not happy with the vehicles performance with mileage or whatever and you should have no problem getting it done.

[1CoolVMagnum]

jasonr: what does yours show on the dash diag mode?

[Scott]

Is there anyway that I can determine what upgrade level my computer is at?

According to the label on my door, my car was built November 2004. My reading of the TSBs after that date doesn't show any that related to operation of the Hemi only the V-6 engines.

Done, I did have a vague recollection of the discussion about the software version on the instrument display is not that of the computer for the engine. But, knowledge base is not explicit about that, so I listed 3.61 for reference. In any case, thanks for the clarification.

Now . . . if a flash upgrade to the engine computer is not the subject of a TSB, nor can I display it, how can I verify/dispute the dealer's claim that I have the latest upgrade?

Thanks in advance -- Scott

[done]

Is there anyway that I can determine what upgrade level my computer is at?

According to the label on my door, my car was built November 2004. My reading of the TSBs after that date doesn't show any that related to operation of the Hemi only the V-6 engines.

Done, I did have a vague recollection of the discussion about the software version on the instrument display is not that of the computer for the engine. But, knowledge base is not explicit about that, so I listed 3.61 for reference. In any case, thanks for the clarification.

Now . . . if a flash upgrade to the engine computer is not the subject of a TSB, nor can I display it, how can I verify/dispute the dealer's claim that I have the latest upgrade?

Thanks in advance -- Scott

Accordong to Fnkychkn, they can hook up the Starscan and have it check for any required updates. My car was built in late Nov also and my dealer claims in needs nothing. Fnky also says you cannot force an update that the system does not call for.

[Phil Hunter]

HI,

This is the best I can give you, a picture of my display in the car.


Phil

[Scott]

Accordong to Fnkychkn, they can hook up the Starscan and have it check for any required updates. My car was built in late Nov also and my dealer claims in needs nothing. Fnky also says you cannot force an update that the system does not call for.

Well Okay, you are confirming what my dealer told me. I must be mistaken, as I thought I had read somewhere that there were recent updates that were applicable. I guess I'm in my dealer's hands. The Service Mgr did say, check back in a few months and if there are any updates - we will do it. It sounds as if they are willing to do them.

Do you know if the v4.05 display update is applicable to our cars or is that for the 2006 model year?

thanks, Scott

[Scott]

a picture of my display

Thanks for the pic. Is this from a 2005 or 2006? 300 or Charger?

[Phil Hunter]

Hi 1coolmagnum,

I looked for the under the hoos sticker that you mentioned, and i cannot locate it. Perhaps you can tell me where it is located, and I will check and see how the numbers compares to yours.


Phil

[1CoolVMagnum]

Hi 1coolmagnum,
I looked for the under the hoos sticker that you mentioned, and i cannot locate it. Perhaps you can tell me where it is located, and I will check and see how the numbers compares to yours.
Phil

The under hood one was applied by the dealer after they updated the PCM to 4.05 (directly above the radiator). The questions I had are related to the dash display. my dash display shows 3.61 and the dealer said they updated the PCM to 4.05. I was wondering if there was any way for me to see the update.

I went back to the dealer and he argued with me for 10 minutes about it until I showed him the dash display (he had never seen it:-?) then he had to go talk to their "best tech". He explained (as 'done' did about 10 posts up) that the CCN has updates just like the PCM, my dealer however only updated the PCM not the CCN. And from what I can gather, there is no way for the avg. joe to see the PCM version with out a starscan.

Please, anyone else comfirm or deny this for clarity.

and Thanks done :smile:.

[fnkychkn]

confirmed

[RandomAccess]

FC - Question... If they can hook up the Star Scan and display any updated available for ALL modules... And tell you that all modules are up to date... Why wouldn't the CCN be updated to the latest as well if there is a newer version available?

[fnkychkn]

with starscan hooked up to vehicle, they can only read part numbers of the vehicle's modules, not available updates. updates are found on techconnect.

[RandomAccess]

So when 1CoolVMagnum went to his dealer and asked for all the latest updates, They just happened to miss the CCN update?

When they update your software, do they at least output the versions on the invoice for your records?

[fnkychkn]

so far, no one has asked for all the updates. if they did, it would cost them, unless they had verifiable complaints for all the TSBs.
we never put update versions on invoices. don't know why. i guess no one ever asked.

[Meister]

fnkychkn,

I, too, have been told by my dealership, whom I trust and who have flashed my car several times at my request, that my 9/05-built '05 300C has all the latest updates, yet my CCN software info in EVIC shows v3.61.

The only examples of EVIC showing a newer version (4.04 or 4.05) whose model year I've been able to verify have all been '06 models. I, elsewhere, and Scott, in this thread, have asked for but have not received verification of this.

Here's the question: At present is v3.61 the highest CCN update with which an '05 300C can be flashed? If so, do you anticipate that an update will ever be available for the '05s that would move them beyond v3.61?

Thanks.

[fnkychkn]

fnkychkn, Here's the question: At present is v3.61 the highest CCN update with which an '05 300C can be flashed? If so, do you anticipate that an update will ever be available for the '05s that would move them beyond v3.61?Thanks.
don't know. i'll have to check.

[BrilliantBlackHemi]

I'm very interested to know this too.

[fnkychkn]

'05 300C, build date 04/22/04

before flash, EVIC displayed: 2/25/04 3.54 P/N 04839559AI

after flash, EVIC displayed: 7/27/04 3.61 P/N 04839559AL

[Meister]

'05 300C, build date 04/22/04

before flash, EVIC displayed: 2/25/04 3.54 P/N 04839559AI

after flash, EVIC displayed: 7/27/04 3.61 P/N 04839559AL
Thanks very much for that info, fc. :thumbs_u:

Thus it appears that the 4-series CCN updates apply to '06 model year only.

[RandomAccess]

Wait... I'm confused... So the flash does update all modules including the CCN, but updates the CCN only up to 3.61?

[done]

Wait... I'm confused... So the flash does update all modules including the CCN, but updates the CCN only up to 3.61?

No, each module is updated separately. The CCN module is the only one that will show it's current version on the EVIC.

[fnkychkn]

Wait... I'm confused... So the flash does update all modules including the CCN, but updates the CCN only up to 3.61?
i only flashed the CCN. just to see what version it would update to. sorry about the confusion.

[FactoryD]

7/05/05 v4.06
'06 Magnum R/T built 10/05

[northeastern08]

7/05/05 v4.06
'06 Magnum R/T built 10/05

Anything new and wild for it??

[PA_Hemi]

Are the oil can and large digital speedo available in normal menus or just in the diag mode?

I have an 05 Magnum, 12/04 Mfr date
CCN software: 7/27/04 v3.61 PN04839559AL. I can see the oil can and speedo in daig mode, but I haven't been able to determine if a reflash will get them visible in non-diag mode.

Thanks for the great thread guys. I love having access to posts from all the smart folks! :)

[GoofyTimL]

At which version does the option appear to adjust the trigger light level for Auto-Lights? Our Blue C is a 7/04 build and has the 2/25/05 CCN. I've just asked the dealer to find out what it can be updated to in order to get this feature. I can tell from DMAG's original post where the oil can and large speedo comes in, but no one has mentioned the Auto-lights trigger Lvl adjustment... it's on the last or next to last diag. EVIC screen.

[Phil Hunter]

The latest CCN version is 4.07. You have version 4.05, which is the same as I have in my car. I know that 4.07 has the headlight adjust. 4.06 may have it also, but I am not sure.

Phil

[MagnumFreak]

4.09 is the very latest ccn software. PN 04843155AH this added cruise indication to the evic display. It is only compatible with 2006 model year cars. I know for a fact it won't work 100% in a 2005. Engine temp, oil pressure and a few other things won't indicate properly. I am not sure if this version works 100% in a 2006. I plan on testing it on a 2006 when I get a chance. :)


Version 4.08 also has cruise indication in the evic but has an odd part number. Almost like it was an incomplete version when sent. PN for it is 68000247AA.

[BobFam]

4.09 is the very latest ccn software. PN 04843155AH this added cruise indication to the evic display. It is only compatible with 2006 model year cars. I know for a fact it won't work 100% in a 2005. Engine temp, oil pressure and a few other things won't indicate properly. I am not sure if this version works 100% in a 2006. I plan on testing it on a 2006 when I get a chance. :)


Version 4.08 also has cruise indication in the evic but has an odd part number. Almost like it was an incomplete version when sent. PN for it is 68000247AA.

Hi. Does the AH version add the icon or the Cruise Set and Cruise On messages? Mine is a 2006 300C with V4.07 and the AE P/N and there is no icon or any messages. Chrysler keeps telling me there is no way to update my 6/05 build short of physically changing the cluster to the later 2006 version that has the icon. I'd be happy if I just had the messages. If you are able to flash a 2006 with an early build date like mine please let me know. Regards, Bob.

[GoofyTimL]

I think I remember now that a user namned artichoke over in at 300Cforums.com indicated that 4.06 had the Auto-light adjustment, but that earlier versions did not... so it may not be a possible update with a 2005 vehicle. Our new Heritage Edition has the CRUISE CONTROL ON indication in the EVIC so it must be 4.09... but I didn't confirm for sure. I guess I could go out to the garage... but it's cold! (sort of... for WV!)

[MagnumFreak]

There isn't a software update that I can't get the starscan to send. :) Well, except for sending the 6.1 PCM software to a car with the 5.7 but that's another story. LOL! The latest software says it only updates previous part number 04843155AG which is a couple of versions after yours. It can be sent to your car but I can't guarantee it will work. If we try it and it doesn't work, I can revert to your original version without problem.

[CliffB]

I've got 3.61 version, elec. conv. group and don't seem to be able to get the oil can, dig. speedo etc. is there a flash to get these things or am I screwing up the way to find them?

[wuesten_fuchs]

I think I remember now that a user namned artichoke over in at 300Cforums.com indicated that 4.06 had the Auto-light adjustment, but that earlier versions did not... so it may not be a possible update with a 2005 vehicle. Our new Heritage Edition has the CRUISE CONTROL ON indication in the EVIC so it must be 4.09... but I didn't confirm for sure.

I have a brand new european 2006 300C CRD (3.0 V6 diesel engine) and it has version 4.07 software. I has the cruise control on/set messages on the EVIC but I can't find anything looking like auto-light adjustment. Where would I find that?

The car didn't originally have the auto-light but I did the usual trick of cutting of that plastic nose under the light switch knob and it works fine (all european 300C's have the light sensor). Do I need to do anything in addition to enable that auto-light adjustment?

[Tommy T.]

I've got 3.61 version, elec. conv. group and don't seem to be able to get the oil can, dig. speedo etc. is there a flash to get these things or am I screwing up the way to find them?

You should be able to without any updates. Forgive my ignorance, but I think the electronic convenience group gives you the EVIC with steering wheel controls, if that's true then:

To enter diagnostic mode (refer to your steering wheel controls), depress and hold the compass button (the one with the N and small arrow above it) and musical note button for about 6 seconds with the key in the ON position (doesn't matter whether or not the engine is running). Hold the buttons until you see the display change.

More info here. (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=11326)

Good luck.

-- Tommy

[Lost815]

4.09 is the very latest ccn software. PN 04843155AH this added cruise indication to the evic display. It is only compatible with 2006 model year cars. I know for a fact it won't work 100% in a 2005. Engine temp, oil pressure and a few other things won't indicate properly. I am not sure if this version works 100% in a 2006. I plan on testing it on a 2006 when I get a chance. :)


Version 4.08 also has cruise indication in the evic but has an odd part number. Almost like it was an incomplete version when sent. PN for it is 68000247AA.


So can memebers with an 05' get the updated ccn to have the cruies indicater added?

[Becker]

So can memebers with an 05' get the updated ccn to have the cruies indicater added?From what I've read here, that's a NO............... It looks like we have the latest and greatest for the 05s.

It looks like a newer cluster is needed.

[Karl]

I'm new guy here, but I have a 3.5 Magnum and had the rough idle problem myself. As I was looking in the manual, please keep the laughter to a low roar, I notice the Mfg recommends 87 octane min. So I tried that and it did stop the rough idle for me. I haven't looked at my code yet but will in the A.M.

Does the dealer charge to "Flash" your car and how much? I try like hell not to even drive through their parking lot let alone let them work on it.