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smoove7410
08-07-2008, 08:36 PM
Here is Saleen's take on supercharging mopar.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/sms_296_supercharger_2.jpg
PRESS RELEASE:
Orange County, California. (August 7, 2008) Automotive icon Steve Saleen and his new company SMS are proud to introduce the first product in the SMS line of ultra-high performance technical parts, the SMS 296 Supercharger™, designed, engineered, manufactured and assembled in-house at our 150,000 square foot facility. Mopar owners of 2005 to 2009 HEMI 5.7 and HEMI 6.1 vehicles are now able to boost under hood horsepower by up to 45% with innovative new dual-screw supercharger (patent pending).
With over 30 years of racing experience Steve Saleen and the SMS design and engineering team have created the ultimate supercharger for Mopar enthusiasts. Now the aftermarket community can take advantage of the SMS 296 Supercharger™, which will be standard equipment on the highly anticipated 2009 SMS 570 Challenger™ and SMS 570X Challenger™, with power ratings from 500 to over 700 horsepower respectively!
The SMS 296 Supercharger™ is packed with innovative features created by SMS engineers to provide optimum boost in an exceptionally compact package.
At the top of the list is the Delta-Frame™ internal intercooler (patent pending), with dual thin-core intercoolers and single-pass coolant flow. The intercooler design provides for a considerable increase in surface area, which has the effect of minimizing pressure drop and optimizing thermal characteristics. The intelligent configuration also acts as a mechanical diverter for effective air transfer into the ports, while the angled manifold enables packaging of runners that are much longer than in conventional layouts.
The long intake runner optimizes airflow efficiency and provides the SMS 296 Supercharger™ with an extremely low profile. This arrangement means that it nestles comfortably within the V, and under the stock hood of all applications, as well as accommodating a bypass system for 3-way cruising off-boost.
At the heart of the supercharger are the asymmetric multi-lobe compressor screws, which are machined in-house by SMS on state-of-the-art CNC equipment. The screw concept is among the most efficient of all supercharger configurations. However, it is also one of the most challenging to manufacture.
In order to minimize parasitic losses, it is crucial to maintain incredibly tight tolerances between the profiles of the asymmetrical lobes. Running dry at speeds of up to 16,000 rpm, there is no room for error. In finishing the screw profiles, the SMS flexible CNC machining facility is working to exacting tolerances. The flexibility of the equipment also means that changes in the screw profiles can be accommodated for different applications.
The innovations on the SMS 296 Supercharger™ carry through to its exterior, with SMS Tailor Made™ custom finishes and powder coat color options to match most Mopar colors. Now enthusiasts can match the impact under the hood with the one at the rear wheels.
The complete SMS 296 Supercharger™ aftermarket assembly looks great and installs easily under the stock hood of all applications including; the Dodge Challenger SRT-8, Dodge Challenger R/T, Dodge Charger SRT-8, Dodge Charger R/T, Dodge Magnum SRT-8, Dodge Magnum RT, Chrysler 300C SRT-8, Chrysler 300C, Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT-8, and Select 5.7L Hemi Dodge Trucks.
Please visit www.smssupercars.com for more information. For a broad understanding of the workings of superchargers please visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercharger
SMS 296 Supercharger™ key features: Patent Pending
• SMS-2955 cc / 180 cu. in. Displacement
• SMS-Integrated Front Drive/Induction Combo
• SMS-Dual Screw Configuration
• SMS-Asymmetric Multi-Lobe Compressor Screws
• SMS-Delta-Frame™ Internal Intercooler Configuration, Patent Pending
• SMS-Remote Drive 8-Rib Pulley and Dampener
• SMS-Internal High-Volume By-Pass Valve
• SMS-Low-Profile High-Volume 10 Inch Long Runners
• SMS-Dual Thin-Core Intercoolers with low pressure drop
• SMS-Single-Pass Intercooler Coolant Path
• SMS-Symmetric CNC Intercooler Caps with integrated coolant passages
• SMS-High-Volume Intercooler Water Pump with recovery tank
• SMS-High-Volume Heat Exchanger with all hardware
• SMS-80 mm Venturi with high-flow air filter
• SMS-88 mm Cold Air Inlet Tube
• SMS-SuperTune OBD Compliant Calibration and Program Tool
• SMS-Extruded Aluminum Fuel Rails with upgraded fuel injectors where applicable
• SMS-Ultra-Light Weight Aluminum Construction
• SMS-Stainless Steel Fasteners
• SMS-Instruction Manual
• Utilizes factory throttle body and hood
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/08/07/blown-hemi-sms-announces-new-296-supercharger-system/
BobF's 6POINT1
08-07-2008, 08:51 PM
I dig it. I won't believe it until I see it hit the streets. Looks Like $$$$$$.
Colors too
http://lh3.ggpht.com/TheFrancas/SJuZw1t8YqI/AAAAAAAAEng/zD7WBOOusr4/s400/017.jpg
Redfox0099
08-07-2008, 09:19 PM
I gave them a call incase they need some "Custom Clusters" :)
We'll see if they call back
Mighty Noid
08-07-2008, 09:23 PM
That is so sick looking....
I think I may want one!!!!!!!!!
Rollin on Dueces
08-07-2008, 09:34 PM
OMFG! That is insane!
srt-hardware
08-07-2008, 09:45 PM
This Changes Everythinggggg!!!!!!!!!
Ghostface Mag
08-07-2008, 09:51 PM
This Changes Everythinggggg!!!!!!!!!
Yes it does.....:doh:
BurntOrange
08-07-2008, 10:04 PM
Saleen, hmmmmm. would be great condsidering they have been producing some sick cars for a while.
FastWagon
08-07-2008, 10:20 PM
now that is sick. its about time!
crhemi
08-07-2008, 10:23 PM
:popcorn:
04hemipwr
08-07-2008, 10:24 PM
looks very cool.. wow..
but to spend as much money as the cars worth on a supercharger.. lol i bet its way over 15k..
MagnumRT05
08-07-2008, 10:30 PM
80+mm turbo > twin screw
Its a great idea, but just not worth the money when you can make more power for less money with a turbo setup.
bipto
08-07-2008, 10:43 PM
80+mm turbo > twin screw
Its a great idea, but just not worth the money when you can make more power for less money with a turbo setup.
:blah:
:doh:
SRT8U
08-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Nice...my bet is still on Saleen to produce the Mopar Branded Supercharger...
Oh BTW...who is a Saleen Dealer...BMC Performance of course :)
This product is from Steve's new company..looks like we ned to find out more about these bad boys!
FastWagon
08-07-2008, 10:59 PM
Nice...my bet is still on Saleen to produce the Mopar Branded Supercharger...
Oh BTW...who is a Saleen Dealer...BMC Performance of course :)
So get us some more info :Na_Na_Na_Na: :racing: :rock:
roswald0511
08-07-2008, 11:14 PM
So get us some more info :Na_Na_Na_Na: :racing: :rock:
I SECOND THAT!!!
Nightshade
08-08-2008, 12:05 AM
80+mm turbo > twin screw
Its a great idea, but just not worth the money when you can make more power for less money with a turbo setup.
Seriously.. Do you have to crap in every single thread on superchargers?? You have a turbo.. you like it.. you don't like superchargers.. We get it..
sorry for the threadjack..
The supercharger looks great! I imagine that the fit and finsh of something coming form saleen will be pretty good too.. Maybe with more competition entering the market the prices will start coming down?
RandysWay
08-08-2008, 02:35 AM
I really don't like the way that that thing looks.. looks butt ugly in my opinion, but let's see if it performs. I'll keep my twin screw.
-R
Spiffywerks
08-08-2008, 02:50 AM
^^^ That's only cause it's not shiney yet. :P And the car is the wrong color. hehe.
Looks so different than anything else out there. It's a rather neat take on the supercharger systems for these cars. But since a large company like Saleen is doing it, that's pretty freaking awesome. Let's see what kinda numbers it makes! :D
Blown7
08-08-2008, 07:10 AM
^^^ That's only cause it's not shiney yet. :P And the car is the wrong color. hehe.
Looks so different than anything else out there. It's a rather neat take on the supercharger systems for these cars. But since a large company like Saleen is doing it, that's pretty freaking awesome. Let's see what kinda numbers it makes! :D
It looks like it comes in colors
http://www.autoblog.com/photos/sms-296-supercharger/
Me Likey!!!
Q8SRT8
08-08-2008, 08:15 AM
colors is a sweeet touch but not the main concern , any more info on this kit ? and why did it take saleen this long to think of something like this ? or did they just wait till every other company tossed out their kits and gathered pros from every single kit to provide lxers with something worth the wait . :)
Btw Red is a killer :P
RandomAccess
08-08-2008, 08:17 AM
I really don't like the way that that thing looks.. looks butt ugly in my opinion, but let's see if it performs. I'll keep my twin screw.
-R
Definitely a more modern engine look, but I wouldn't call it ugly.
Says to go on their site for more info... but looks like they barely have the site setup.
Have they announced pricing?
crhemi
08-08-2008, 09:01 AM
colors is a sweeet touch but not the main concern , any more info on this kit ? and why did it take saleen this long to think of something like this ? or did they just wait till every other company tossed out their kits and gathered pros from every single kit to provide lxers with something worth the wait . :)
Btw Red is a killer :P
I am sure Saleen has been working of this for at least a year or two.
Johnparts
08-08-2008, 09:28 AM
Hey Guys this thing does look bad to the bone. Having worked with Saleen on mustang parts I for one know it's the cream of the crop BUT this will be a pricey option for those looking to Supercharge.
tank8289
08-08-2008, 10:21 AM
If it has the saleen whine, you have me sold.
roswald0511
08-08-2008, 11:33 AM
If it has the saleen whine, you have me sold.
Tank,
Twin Screw Saleen on that AWD 392 would be killer.
AlbertaAMX
08-08-2008, 12:07 PM
Who makes the supercharger that is on Randy's car? The only place I have seen any positive displacement blowers for our cars is on RDP's website. Is that where they are all coming from?
Seems to me the Magnuson blow by valve blowers would be good. FYI they have a bypass valve for decel / cruising so the blower isn't working. Increases cruise mileage dramatically apparently.
Who makes the supercharger that is on Randy's car? The only place I have seen any positive displacement blowers for our cars is on RDP's website. .
One in the same unit.
smoove7410
08-08-2008, 12:35 PM
I like the simplistic look, but I also like the rdp look. I don't think this should be as high as the rdp supercharger in price. It is saleen and he is making it to fit jeeps, rams, 300s, chargers and magnums. I also think that saleen is making the mopar factory supercharger since they are a large company and the blower looks like a factory unit.
tank8289
08-08-2008, 01:07 PM
Tank,
Twin Screw Saleen on that AWD 392 would be killer.
Oh trust me i'm not done yet.
vvv90
08-08-2008, 02:04 PM
I can't wait to hear more about availability, price, and tuning.
This could be the easiest bolt on power coming.
snatchss454
08-08-2008, 05:26 PM
Just wanted to put out a little reading literature for everyone:
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_0510_saleen/index.html
Smaller blower than the MOPAR one on a smaller engine @ 3.5-4PSI making more HP than the SRT8 rated power..sounds like a winner to me. Also if going by the mustang saleen blower kit, pricing should be comparable @ around 55-6500.
I cant wait!!
Shane
aries4life
08-08-2008, 06:26 PM
That list of specs didn't include any fueling upgrades past the fuel rails and injectors... Wouldn't we starve for fuel at the advertised power levels (550-700)?
Other than that, it looks like an excellent kit!
HEMIDON
08-08-2008, 08:42 PM
I like the clean modern look. I also like the long runners to increase torque in low boost situations. The down side that I see is heat soak having the runners wrap around the hot blower. The water hose going into the housing between the runners looks to me like a top mounted air to water intercooler. So, the air is cooled as it exits the blower housing but reheated in the long runners.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/sms_296_supercharger_2.jpg
Clearance to the cowl support / tower brace tells me this a prototype, NOT A "ready for production" set up.
It will be intresting to see how this turns out....
HEMIDON
08-08-2008, 09:03 PM
That list of specs didn't include any fueling upgrades past the fuel rails and injectors... Wouldn't we starve for fuel at the advertised power levels (550-700)?
As of yet, I don't know of anyone that has reached the limits of the factory fuel pump. Those that have gone with auxilliary and booster pumps have been proactive. With my set up, I have not seen any drop in fuel pressure at WOT with a 215 shot on a stock pump. If they say 700 is possible without any fuel pump upgrades than that could be a hint that its capabable is greater than that.
STREET LIFE R/T
08-08-2008, 09:54 PM
talk about thowing a wrench in the game. this makes everyone think twice about other kits......i wonder what the price tag looks like???:popcorn:
Redfox0099
08-08-2008, 09:57 PM
Guys I just spend about 45 minutes talking to Sean Saleen on the phone and he is a stand up guy, he realizes he is new to the LX/LY platform and wants to learn from us as much as we want to run his S/Cer.
I think they have the correct approach to the Hemis of not trying to throw Gobs of boost at a motor but rather build something reliable and tunable that will still make Gobs of power :)
BTW I sent them pics of the Custom Clusters and my CMJ rear end
USCG Charger
08-08-2008, 10:03 PM
Guys I just spend about 45 minutes talking to Sean Saleen on the phone and he is a stand up guy, he realizes he is new to the LX/LY platform and wants to learn from us as much as we want to run his S/Cer.
I think they have the correct approach to the Hemis of not trying to throw Gobs of boost at a motor but rather build something reliable and tunable that will still make Gobs of power :)
BTW I sent them pics of the Custom Clusters and my CMJ rear end
sucky sucky... lol....
Bandit
08-08-2008, 10:11 PM
Ok, so why is everyone so excited already... no mention of power gains or price yet.
Tell me that, and I'll be excited.
A picture of a Challenger with a photoshopped supercharger image on the engine doesn't do much for me.
crhemi
08-08-2008, 10:14 PM
Is this picture a photo shop? Something doesn't look right.
smoove7410
08-08-2008, 11:58 PM
It is not a photoshop. They will have this thing at sema, gauranteed. You do realize that saleen/sms had multiple challengers at their facility far prior to dodge even releasing pics.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/sms_296_supercharger.jpg
Redfox0099
08-09-2008, 12:17 AM
SEMA....What a good place to spend a November week
bullettrain
08-09-2008, 06:29 AM
I can see one of these in my future....My other cars all have an Eaton supercharger. The flat torque curve and instant boost make street driving very enjoyable.
I'm excited because here is a vendor that has the resources and history of doing things right. It will be worth a few extra bucks to get the quality, experience and customer support. :banana:
Johnparts
08-09-2008, 07:55 AM
Guys I just spend about 45 minutes talking to Sean Saleen on the phone and he is a stand up guy, he realizes he is new to the LX/LY platform and wants to learn from us as much as we want to run his S/Cer.
I think they have the correct approach to the Hemis of not trying to throw Gobs of boost at a motor but rather build something reliable and tunable that will still make Gobs of power :)
BTW I sent them pics of the Custom Clusters and my CMJ rear endYou are the Man Nathan. (did you tell Sean to call me?)
RandomAccess
08-09-2008, 10:20 AM
Wait... that's photochopped... Red... next time you talk to Sean... tell him that's weak!
Walt SRT8
08-09-2008, 10:20 AM
I'm feelin a "Group Buy" Comin On..................
Trojan
08-09-2008, 10:29 AM
Bingo Bandit! Since I live in O.C Im gonna make it a point to go there this week and find out "Whats really going on". Ill report back with my findings.
1FST4DR
08-09-2008, 10:38 AM
Pretty cool,I should be at Sema again this year.I will be definitly looking that thing up.Nate.We will have to get together in Vegas.As long as i dont have to wrench on your car..lol I still am recovering from 15* burns..lol
RandomAccess
08-09-2008, 11:13 AM
It is not a photoshop. They will have this thing at sema, gauranteed. You do realize that saleen/sms had multiple challengers at their facility far prior to dodge even releasing pics.
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/08/sms_296_supercharger.jpg
That's clearly not a working model though... Note: Throttle body not connected and I don't see a belt on that pulley.
vvv90
08-09-2008, 11:37 AM
That's clearly not a working model though... Note: Throttle body not connected and I don't see a belt on that pulley.
The throttle body is on the back. I clearly see the back of a belt, otherwise you'd see 8 rib grooves in the pulley.
I ain't sayin' it might not be a photochop, but come on now.
bipto
08-09-2008, 11:44 AM
The throttle body is on the back. I clearly see the back of a belt, otherwise you'd see 8 rib grooves in the pulley.
I ain't sayin' it might not be a photochop, but come on now.
Ah, the throttle body is in the front just down-stream of the air filter, and it clearly is not connected... :roll:
The throttle body is on the back. I clearly see the back of a belt, otherwise you'd see 8 rib grooves in the pulley.
I ain't sayin' it might not be a photochop, but come on now.
Matt, you been drinking without me again.................for shame buddy!!. :sad:
Please see below............both his eyes are working :Na_Na_Na_Na:
Ah, the throttle body is in the front just down-stream of the air filter, and it clearly is not connected... :roll:
vvv90
08-09-2008, 01:02 PM
Ah, the throttle body is in the front just down-stream of the air filter, and it clearly is not connected... :roll:
My bad, I meant the intake connecting to the plenum in the back. You're correct about the throttle body. I see what you mean about the electrical connection on the TB not being plugged in.
vvv90
08-09-2008, 01:06 PM
Matt, you been drinking without me again.................for shame buddy!!. :sad:
Please see below............both his eyes are working :Na_Na_Na_Na:
Sadly no, I'm sober. :friday: That'll be fixed shortly.
lafrad
08-09-2008, 01:13 PM
the reflection on the aluminum bit in the middle doesn't properly show the rad supports and such... I think there is at least *some* photoshop work done here...
Redfox0099
08-09-2008, 01:54 PM
I think y'all might be looking at this a little too hard, it is not like they brought it out to a M&G and wouldn't pop the hood, let's see what comes of this and see what cars they put it on. I think this has the potential of being a good product if shown to the public on a known car and not a "garage" queen that will see use not a car cover.
crhemi
08-09-2008, 05:14 PM
Still very promising non the less.
My question is will this kit fit on the other LX's. The Callenger hood has a high cowl with the intake vents. Not sure it's going to work with a regular hood of a magnum or 300.
Redfox0099
08-09-2008, 07:45 PM
Ah, the throttle body is in the front just down-stream of the air filter, and it clearly is not connected... :roll:
Dude so what it isn't connected...have you never taken a picture of something you wanted to show people and NOT moved something out of the way to make it easier to see?
I am sure they know to get the extension cable from the 300s to make it work easily or have just extended it themselves.
bipto
08-09-2008, 08:02 PM
Dude so what it isn't connected...have you never taken a picture of something you wanted to show people and NOT moved something out of the way to make it easier to see?
I am sure they know to get the extension cable from the 300s to make it work easily or have just extended it themselves.
Dammit, Red if that freakin' TB isn't connected, the whole deal is off! :mrgreen:
LOL... Chill, Nathan - I mearly posted this in response to someone who insisted the TB was in the back... I understand how the show & tell game works... :wink:
Bandit
08-09-2008, 08:25 PM
Wake me up when we hear about the hp gains, and price...
Hypermotard1
08-13-2008, 11:05 AM
Still very promising non the less.
My question is will this kit fit on the other LX's. The Callenger hood has a high cowl with the intake vents. Not sure it's going to work with a regular hood of a magnum or 300.
The kit was made to fit ALL the platforms, the biggest issue tends to be the rear cowl brace, as the front of the blower fits nicley under the other hoods also, you are correct the challenger has a TON more room at the hood, over a inch at the front of the blower intercooler housing.
The kit was made to fit ALL the platforms, the biggest issue tends to be the rear cowl brace, as the front of the blower fits nicley under the other hoods also, you are correct the challenger has a TON more room at the hood, over a inch at the front of the blower intercooler housing.
I have a solution that works for that. I take it your with SMS. Trojan (Chris) and myself are coming down there today to meet with Sean. You'll be able to see what I have done.
CRS MSL
08-13-2008, 12:08 PM
Nice...my bet is still on Saleen to produce the Mopar Branded Supercharger...
Oh BTW...who is a Saleen Dealer...BMC Performance of course :)
This product is from Steve's new company..looks like we ned to find out more about these bad boys!
From what I read he created the SMS brand just for the Mopars (and to distance it from Ford)... He's supposed to roll out a few Challenger Models right along with a company called G5 IIRC. There's a whole write up in the latest Mopar Action. The G5 cars will use ASM superchargers.
vvv90
08-14-2008, 11:12 AM
I have a solution that works for that. I take it your with SMS. Trojan (Chris) and myself are coming down there today to meet with Sean. You'll be able to see what I have done.
Hey Cam, did you and Chris head down there? Did you see anything interesting?
Trojan
08-14-2008, 11:32 AM
Hey Cam, did you and Chris head down there? Did you see anything interesting?
Interesting you say? OMG! is alls I can say. Sean treated us very well. And is truly genuine when it comes to helping us Mopar guys out. These guys are completely off the charts, There 150,000 sq ft. facility is state of the art. There engineering team is top notch.
They produce, R&D, Track Test, and perfect every part prior to its release.
The 6.1 Blown Hemi Motor is in a Glass Room like a Chimpanzee at a research lab. :thumbs_u:
Im not sure just how much Im allowed to say. :blam:
Drivability is of the utmost importance to Sean and his team. They are very much aware of what other blowers are doing, and more importantly "NOT" doing.
We will probably be setting up a M&G at there facility in the very near future. Final Development of the Saleen Challenger and all its modifications is well under way. There very much aware of our current issues, TCM, Tranni, and Tuning. Sean and his team have all 3 of those areas completely solved they assured me. Theve also told me they will have complete solutions for Magnums, 300's, Chargers as well. This is very very real folks. :not_worth
Walt SRT8
08-14-2008, 11:47 AM
Interesting you say? OMG! is alls I can say. Sean treated us very well. And is truly genuine when it comes to helping us Mopar guys out. These guys are completely off the charts, There 150,000 sq ft. facility is state of the art. There engineering team is top notch.
They produce, R&D, Track Test, and perfect every part prior to its release.
The 6.1 Blown Hemi Motor is in a Glass Room like a Chimpanzee at a research lab. :thumbs_u:
Im not sure just how much Im allowed to say. :blam:
Drivability is of the utmost importance to Sean and his team. They are very much aware of what other blowers are doing, and more importantly "NOT" doing.
We will probably be setting up a M&G at there facility in the very near future. Final Development of the Saleen Challenger and all its modifications is well under way. There very much aware of our current issues, TCM, Tranni, and Tuning. Sean and his team have all 3 of those areas completely solved they assured me. Theve also told me they will have complete solutions for Magnums, 300's, Chargers as well. This is very very real folks. :not_worth
Chris,
That was very nice of Sean to have taken his time to meet with you and giving you the "Full Blown" tour.
I think SMS is doing the job the way it should be done and will (has) deliver us a GREAT product. Thank you for representing many of us, to SMS. I am sure you were all smiles a you viewed their facility. I wish I could have attended as well.
Thanks for updating the forum. Walt
pukkaSRT8
08-14-2008, 11:54 AM
subscribing...
Holy crap guys. Just as Trojan said. Thier facility is beyond the best of the best. There is nothing they can't make and test. Sean and his lead engineer took a couple hours out of their busy day just to talk with a couple yahoo's off the street and treated us like royalty. This company is a first class opperation with first class personnel. I can't wait to see all the products they come to market with.....it will be a one stop shop when completed.
Hypermotard1
08-14-2008, 01:31 PM
We were happy to have you guys in, we have been a fairily well kept secert up till now. Glad you liked our facility, we are far from being completely moved in, but we are getting there.
look forward to seeing & meeting more of you
BT
Mister HP
08-14-2008, 01:47 PM
We were happy to have you guys in, we have been a fairily well kept secert up till now. Glad you liked our facility, we are far from being completely moved in, but we are getting there.
look forward to seeing & meeting more of you
BT
Any idea on timeframe for availablity on the Hemi kits? I am already getting calls on these!
Ed
bacafrog
08-14-2008, 02:04 PM
All I can say is that I envie you!
Walt SRT8
08-14-2008, 02:10 PM
We were happy to have you guys in, we have been a fairly well kept secret up till now. Glad you liked our facility, we are far from being completely moved in, but we are getting there.
look forward to seeing & meeting more of you
BT
:) The cat is out of the bag now..........October can't come soon enough. Thanks again for your hospitality and sharing with us, (okay, so I didn't get to go :roll:) it goes farther than you know. You guys are great.
Trojan
08-14-2008, 02:32 PM
We were happy to have you guys in, we have been a fairily well kept secert up till now. Glad you liked our facility, we are far from being completely moved in, but we are getting there.
look forward to seeing & meeting more of you
BT
Yesterday was very eye opening for us, Thank you once again for your time. This is exactly what we've all been waiting for, I highly commend your efforts and look forward to working closely with you and your team in the future. :beerchug:
Walt SRT8
08-14-2008, 03:38 PM
Yesterday was very eye opening for us, Thank you once again for your time. This is exactly what we've all been waiting for, I highly commend your efforts and look forward to working closely with you and your team in the future. :beerchug:
:beerchug: Chris.............."You Da Man" :rock:
SMS Challenger
08-14-2008, 07:46 PM
Thank you for the kind words guys! We certainly enjoyed having you. Your input as to what the LX community is looking for is invaluble to us, and we thank you for it.
Fireitup
08-14-2008, 08:07 PM
I Cant wait to see how this turns out. Great work SMS.
ewrecker2003
08-15-2008, 01:52 AM
subscribing .............. any ball park figures for a magnum5.7?????? please ;)
hemi8tr
08-16-2008, 10:19 AM
look familiar??
http://lh3.ggpht.com/hemi8tr/SKbhBLLcOjI/AAAAAAAAAGo/FMMD7cgjpqs/blt.JPG
Hemi4me?
08-16-2008, 10:53 AM
That is sexxxxxxxxy
Trojan
08-16-2008, 10:55 AM
look familiar??
http://lh3.ggpht.com/hemi8tr/SKbhBLLcOjI/AAAAAAAAAGo/FMMD7cgjpqs/blt.JPG
Does what look familiar? The Blower? No, The Facility? No! The promises? No.
What I saw did not look or sound familiar. Its mind blowing! Its Real! Its Backed up by a name you can trust!
So no nothing looks familiar!
hemi8tr
08-16-2008, 11:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Trojanhttp://www.lxforums.com/board/images/bbcodemanager/simple/link.gif (http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?p=1551886#post1551886)
Are the units your talking about available? Ill take 2 yesterday. The whole shebang including tuning. Where do I sign up? When will my units arrive? Can you send me a link to a running, tuned, available to the public, dyno tested, track proven set up?
Are they intercooled? How so? How much boost will they take? Whats the price?
When will they be carb approved? Im waiting cash in hand.
Trojan
08-16-2008, 11:34 AM
Ive seen the Saleen stuff with my own eyes, We will see how this plays out.
I think there in Deep so theres no turning back! At least Im hoping.
hemi8tr
08-16-2008, 11:37 AM
Ive seen the Saleen stuff with my own eyes, We will see how this plays out.
I think there in Deep so theres no turning back! At least Im hoping.
me too bro. we have been promised so much it would be nice to see it come through one time. i also think steve will get us a twin screw going. i think rdp has an edge on sms.
hifees
08-16-2008, 12:15 PM
I cant wait to see the numbers. That thing is by far the best looking i have seen yet.
Walt SRT8
08-16-2008, 12:26 PM
Does what look familiar? The Blower? No, The Facility? No! The promises? No.
What I saw did not look or sound familiar. Its mind blowing! Its Real! Its Backed up by a name you can trust!
So no nothing looks familiar!
I will second that. (Trojans Statement)
i think rdp has an edge on sms.
I sure as hell don't think that to be the case. :blah:
Johnparts
08-16-2008, 01:11 PM
I sure as hell don't think that to be the case. :blah:Yeah I'm with Cam on this one SMS should be very well equiped to put something great in the hands of us LX guys
Blown7
08-16-2008, 04:20 PM
Simple question.
Has Saleen run an 6.1 engine sucessfully with this supercharger yet?
J
hemi8tr
08-16-2008, 04:51 PM
saleen has teased the mustang crowed for years with products that never came to market or were never available in stock. if they do bring it out it will be like there mustang setups with very Conservative power so they can sell them through the dealers. all the guys that bought saleen supercharged cars that want to go fast go with whipple or kenne bell.
Hypermotard1
08-16-2008, 05:20 PM
saleen has teased the mustang crowed for years with products that never came to market or were never available in stock. if they do bring it out it will be like there mustang setups with very Conservative power so they can sell them through the dealers. all the guys that bought saleen supercharged cars that want to go fast go with whipple or kenne bell.
I understand your concerns on the subject, and yes the Saleen standard prodcution was always conservative, (if you call 475 with the stock Ford 4.6 bottom end and pistons conservative) however those models carry FULL 3 yr 36k powertrain warranty, and FULL 7 yr emmisions warranty, they had to pass all NEW car (untitled) Emmisions, for all states including Ca. and keep prodcution Ford Cats alive for 100k miles (the law for new cars) not a easy task as the Ford powdered metal cranks and rods, combined with the cast pistons are not of stellar quality, remember this is only a 4.6 that Fords rates for 300 hp, so way under built to even the dodge std for the 5.7 let alone the SRT. Saleen did produce 550 HP units that had complete forged internals that also met all emmsions stds. That was for prodcution, in the after market we can go more extreme to what the customer wants , not the govt. We have our SMS 5 liter pump gas (91 oct) Mustang version we have done and sell, that is 720 HP and 670 ft lbs (the fastest street tired, full produciton Cat, mustang ever tested by muscle mustang). and yes this was the peak we could get from that 2.3 liter blower design. Which is why the new blower is 3 liters for the larger engines. If you are looking for 1000 hp get a turbo, (actually get a couple) however if you want 500 to 900 this will work just fine, at low boost (around 5 lbs) this will give reliable 500 hp day in day out on the 5.7, and 550 + on the Srt, that will be just barley breathing this unit, boost levels into the 20s are possible for the customer who wants it.
sorry for the ramble just wanted to explain
BT
Walt SRT8
08-16-2008, 05:26 PM
I understand your concerns on the subject, and yes the Saleen standard prodcution was always conservative, (if you call 475 with the stock Ford 4.6 bottom end and pistons conservative) however those models carry FULL 3 yr 36k powertrain warranty, and FULL 7 yr emmisions warranty, they had to pass all NEW car (untitled) Emmisions, for all states including Ca. and keep prodcution Ford Cats alive for 100k miles (the law for new cars) not a easy task as the Ford powdered metal cranks and rods, combined with the cast pistons are not of stellar quality, remember this is only a 4.6 that Fords rates for 300 hp, so way under built to even the dodge std for the 5.7 let alone the SRT. Saleen did produce 550 HP units that had complete forged internals that also met all emmsions stds. That was for prodcution, in the after market we can go more extreme to what the customer wants , not the govt. We have our SMS 5 liter pump gas (91 oct) Mustang version we have done and sell, that is 720 HP and 670 ft lbs (the fastest street tired, full produciton Cat, mustang ever tested by muscle mustang). and yes this was the peak we could get from that 2.3 liter blower design. Which is why the new blower is 3 liters for the larger engines. If you are looking for 1000 hp get a turbo, (actually get a couple) however if you want 500 to 900 this will work just fine, at low boost (around 5 lbs) this will give reliable 500 hp day in day out on the 5.7, and 550 + on the Srt, that will be just barley breathing this unit, boost levels into the 20s are possible for the customer who wants it.
sorry for the ramble just wanted to explain
BT
Well I certainly enjoyed your ramble and your through explanation. Thank You.
:beerchug:
hemi8tr
08-16-2008, 05:47 PM
I understand your concerns on the subject, and yes the Saleen standard production was always conservative, (if you call 475 with the stock Ford 4.6 bottom end and pistons conservative) however those models carry FULL 3 yr 36k powertrain warranty, and FULL 7 yr emmisions warranty, they had to pass all NEW car (untitled) Emmisions, for all states including Ca. and keep prodcution Ford Cats alive for 100k miles (the law for new cars) not a easy task as the Ford powdered metal cranks and rods, combined with the cast pistons are not of stellar quality, remember this is only a 4.6 that Fords rates for 300 hp, so way under built to even the dodge std for the 5.7 let alone the SRT. Saleen did produce 550 HP units that had complete forged internals that also met all emmsions stds. That was for prodcution, in the after market we can go more extreme to what the customer wants , not the govt. We have our SMS 5 liter pump gas (91 oct) Mustang version we have done and sell, that is 720 HP and 670 ft lbs (the fastest street tired, full produciton Cat, mustang ever tested by muscle mustang). and yes this was the peak we could get from that 2.3 liter blower design. Which is why the new blower is 3 liters for the larger engines. If you are looking for 1000 hp get a turbo, (actually get a couple) however if you want 500 to 900 this will work just fine, at low boost (around 5 lbs) this will give reliable 500 hp day in day out on the 5.7, and 550 + on the Srt, that will be just barley breathing this unit, boost levels into the 20s are possible for the customer who wants it.
sorry for the ramble just wanted to explain
BT
i apologies for the skepticism but we have been through this time and time again. not even suggesting you all are nothing but 100% straight up. i believe you are. the more info the better.
Hypermotard1
08-16-2008, 05:55 PM
i apologies for the skepticism but we have been through this time and time again. not even suggesting you all are nothing but 100% straight up. i believe you are. the more info the better.
No worries, i will always try and provide all the info I can
pbmgoat
08-17-2008, 08:51 PM
I understand your concerns on the subject, and yes the Saleen standard prodcution was always conservative, (if you call 475 with the stock Ford 4.6 bottom end and pistons conservative) however those models carry FULL 3 yr 36k powertrain warranty, and FULL 7 yr emmisions warranty, they had to pass all NEW car (untitled) Emmisions, for all states including Ca. and keep prodcution Ford Cats alive for 100k miles (the law for new cars) not a easy task as the Ford powdered metal cranks and rods, combined with the cast pistons are not of stellar quality, remember this is only a 4.6 that Fords rates for 300 hp, so way under built to even the dodge std for the 5.7 let alone the SRT. Saleen did produce 550 HP units that had complete forged internals that also met all emmsions stds. That was for prodcution, in the after market we can go more extreme to what the customer wants , not the govt. We have our SMS 5 liter pump gas (91 oct) Mustang version we have done and sell, that is 720 HP and 670 ft lbs (the fastest street tired, full produciton Cat, mustang ever tested by muscle mustang). and yes this was the peak we could get from that 2.3 liter blower design. Which is why the new blower is 3 liters for the larger engines. If you are looking for 1000 hp get a turbo, (actually get a couple) however if you want 500 to 900 this will work just fine, at low boost (around 5 lbs) this will give reliable 500 hp day in day out on the 5.7, and 550 + on the Srt, that will be just barley breathing this unit, boost levels into the 20s are possible for the customer who wants it.
sorry for the ramble just wanted to explain
BT
Hummmm...
roswald0511
08-17-2008, 09:24 PM
Is there any time frame or cost estimates?
SMS Challenger
08-18-2008, 01:26 PM
Is there any time frame or cost estimates?
We have a target of the first week of October to begin production on the SMS 296 Supercharger at an MSRP of approximately $7,000 for a complete kit (no additional parts, tuning or fabrication required).
FastWagon
08-18-2008, 01:41 PM
We have a target of the first week of October to begin production on the SMS 296 Supercharger at an MSRP of approximately $7,000 for a complete kit (no additional parts, tuning or fabrication required).
now that's what im talking about :beerchug:
:modding:
Super T
08-18-2008, 01:43 PM
550hp on an SRT at 5 psi... what's your guess on a forged 426 @ 12-15 psi?
Johnparts
08-18-2008, 01:50 PM
And you will be selling these through dealers and directly or just through Authorized dealers?
Jected
08-18-2008, 03:51 PM
Chris,
That was very nice of Sean to have taken his time to meet with you and giving you the "Full Blown" tour.
I think SMS is doing the job the way it should be done and will (has) deliver us a GREAT product. Thank you for representing many of us, to SMS. I am sure you were all smiles a you viewed their facility. I wish I could have attended as well.
Thanks for updating the forum. Walt
First of all to SMS, well done on bringing something else into the market place for our cars. It just keeps getting better and better. And what a nice kit. Look forward to seeing it running especially on a Challenger.
In regards to the comment above though, is this meaning that a similar kit that is already out has not been done right or has been done the wrong way. I beg to differ with you here :).
me too bro. we have been promised so much it would be nice to see it come through one time. i also think steve will get us a twin screw going. i think rdp has an edge on sms.
You have got that right and it may be sooner than you think...:wink:
I understand your concerns on the subject, and yes the Saleen standard prodcution was always conservative, (if you call 475 with the stock Ford 4.6 bottom end and pistons conservative) however those models carry FULL 3 yr 36k powertrain warranty, and FULL 7 yr emmisions warranty, they had to pass all NEW car (untitled) Emmisions, for all states including Ca. and keep prodcution Ford Cats alive for 100k miles (the law for new cars) not a easy task as the Ford powdered metal cranks and rods, combined with the cast pistons are not of stellar quality, remember this is only a 4.6 that Fords rates for 300 hp, so way under built to even the dodge std for the 5.7 let alone the SRT. Saleen did produce 550 HP units that had complete forged internals that also met all emmsions stds. That was for prodcution, in the after market we can go more extreme to what the customer wants , not the govt. We have our SMS 5 liter pump gas (91 oct) Mustang version we have done and sell, that is 720 HP and 670 ft lbs (the fastest street tired, full produciton Cat, mustang ever tested by muscle mustang). and yes this was the peak we could get from that 2.3 liter blower design. Which is why the new blower is 3 liters for the larger engines. If you are looking for 1000 hp get a turbo, (actually get a couple) however if you want 500 to 900 this will work just fine, at low boost (around 5 lbs) this will give reliable 500 hp day in day out on the 5.7, and 550 + on the Srt, that will be just barley breathing this unit, boost levels into the 20s are possible for the customer who wants it.
sorry for the ramble just wanted to explain
BT
Are you talking 500hp 5.7L / 550hp 6.1L crank hp or rwhp.
Is this on a purpose built engine or as they come from factory. 550hp is definitely pushing the boundaries on a stock 6.1 SRT8 bottom end IMO. Your Fords don't forget, only see 9.3-1 comp from factory and pistons are a lot stronger than the 5.7 hemi 9.5-1 comp setup and especially 10.3-1 comp 6.1L SRT8's.
Reason I mention it, I got the internals from my motor back last week and I cannot believe how thin the ring lands are on the pistons in an SRT8. The rings aren't much better either IMO - POS. I knew they weren't anything flash, but my god they are thin. First time I have seen them and was very surprised.
Has the kit been up and running as yet. If so how does it sound and go. Please post a vid and more pics when you can. Can't wait. Thats one thing I love about PD blower, the whine.
Anyway well done on what looks like will be a great kit and can't wait to see it finished and going. :thumbs_u:
STREET LIFE R/T
08-18-2008, 06:21 PM
hummmm.....interesting.
I think a built block would be a good investment with one of these suckers...:modding:
U nEEd EarPLugz
08-18-2008, 10:24 PM
how much is it.and how muc power does it produce on a stoch 5.7L.
Trojan
08-18-2008, 11:45 PM
how much is it.and how muc power does it produce on a stoch 5.7L.
Info is in post 91 and 97 :doh:
Walt SRT8
08-19-2008, 12:52 AM
We have a target of the first week of October to begin production on the SMS 296 Supercharger at an MSRP of approximately $7,000 for a complete kit (no additional parts, tuning or fabrication required).
Sean, Can I drop my car off on Sept 30th? :):):):)
netnathan
08-19-2008, 01:04 AM
And now for the rest of the story....
I am surprised this link has not been posted yet.
THIS IS A MUST READ!
http://www.smssupercars.com/pdf/SMS%20296%20Supercharger.pdf
ALL about the SMS 296 S/C.
Fyi....
ok - you heard it it first on this forum.
I just got off the phone with shawn saleen, steve saleen's son. Here is the scoop:
The sms 295 supercharger is targeted to ship in early october.
The company has not finalized retail price yet, but are hoping to be in the $6500 to $7000 price range!
This is a complete twin screw bolt-on kit, with big intercoolers to combat the dreaded hemi heat-soak. Capacity will be a generous 3 litres and boost will be about 5 lbs. All parts needed will be in the kit.
Tuning will be done initially with a diablo predator but the company plans to also provide an ecm flash performed by them on your unit.
Shawn also indicated that they have had close co-operation and support from chrysler engineers on this product.
Super T
08-19-2008, 04:57 PM
Gawddamn. I want one.
Frozen_
08-19-2008, 05:31 PM
that price tag looks mighty fine!
HemiPowered5700
08-19-2008, 05:42 PM
Oh yes....this will be on my car.
First and fastest SMS supercharged LX in Chicago...Let's talk guys!!!!
Fireitup
08-19-2008, 07:54 PM
Great news Immo. Thanks for calling Shawn Saleen about the supercharger. We all are curious and its nice to hear about information that will benifit our LXs.
Midnight451
08-20-2008, 06:32 AM
I told the dealer I would get into alot of trouble in this car. After this puppy is installed, I'm really going to be in alot of trouble.
OA-5599
08-20-2008, 08:35 AM
I like this thread!
FastWagon
08-20-2008, 04:19 PM
Oh yes....this will be on my car.
First and fastest SMS supercharged LX in Chicago...Let's talk guys!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahah
Ok ok im done.
i lied hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahahahah aha
:Na_Na_Na_Na:
ylwnana
08-21-2008, 02:05 PM
First of all to SMS, well done on bringing something else into the market place for our cars. It just keeps getting better and better. And what a nice kit. Look forward to seeing it running especially on a Challenger.
In regards to the comment above though, is this meaning that a similar kit that is already out has not been done right or has been done the wrong way. I beg to differ with you here.
You have got that right and it may be sooner than you think...:wink:
Are you talking 500hp 5.7L / 550hp 6.1L crank hp or rwhp.
Is this on a purpose built engine or as they come from factory. 550hp is definitely pushing the boundaries on a stock 6.1 SRT8 bottom end IMO. Your Fords don't forget, only see 9.3-1 comp from factory and pistons are a lot stronger than the 5.7 hemi 9.5-1 comp setup and especially 10.3-1 comp 6.1L SRT8's.
Reason I mention it, I got the internals from my motor back last week and I cannot believe how thin the ring lands are on the pistons in an SRT8. The rings aren't much better either IMO - POS. I knew they weren't anything flash, but my god they are thin. First time I have seen them and was very surprised.
Has the kit been up and running as yet. If so how does it sound and go. Please post a vid and more pics when you can. Can't wait. Thats one thing I love about PD blower, the whine.
Anyway well done on what looks like will be a great kit and can't wait to see it finished and going. :thumbs_u: this one will be!
Jected
08-22-2008, 07:45 AM
I believe Steve from RDP will be looking into getting the the new RDP kit (Currently under developement) certification to be 50 State legal. He understands there is some work iinvolved with getting this done and understands the need to have it by many consumers. Also being that he has opened up shop in the USA he can definitely concentrate on looking into this and getting it done.
The Bullet kit currently available has not been certified and I am not sure whether this will be done. Best to speak with the sellers of those.
hifees
08-22-2008, 09:09 AM
WOW that thing polished looks sooooo nice. I want one yesterday.
With the 700 hp version wont they run into a lot of other issues like axels and trans?
RandomAccess
08-22-2008, 09:56 PM
WOW that thing polished looks sooooo nice. I want one yesterday.
With the 700 hp version wont they run into a lot of other issues like axels and trans?
Is that a bad issue to have?:rock:
hifees
08-24-2008, 12:33 AM
Good point.
RandomAccess
08-24-2008, 10:00 AM
Good point.
Now you got me thinking... SMS drivetrain upgrade???
Hypermotard1
08-24-2008, 12:47 PM
Now you got me thinking... SMS drivetrain upgrade???
The 700 hp 570 x will be a complete unit with a full warranty, that said it means that the weak links will have been taken care of, (not much different then was done for the mustang E) on that car the trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc, were all replacded with new redesigned units.
As for the aftermarket SC kits, there will be options to purchase these other items to help hold the power,( a full kit will be offered) or just the SC kit by itself for consumers that want to do it themselves, the SC kit will be complete with the only addtions for higher HP will be pulley, calibration & fuel system parts needed. (options on the kit)
hemi8tr
08-24-2008, 12:52 PM
will the aftermarket sc kits be carb legal or will the production units only be certified?
ylwnana
08-24-2008, 03:44 PM
The 700 hp 570 x will be a complete unit with a full warranty, that said it means that the weak links will have been taken care of, (not much different then was done for the mustang E) on that car the trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc, were all replacded with new redesigned units.
As for the aftermarket SC kits, there will be options to purchase these other items to help hold the power,( a full kit will be offered) or just the SC kit by itself for consumers that want to do it themselves, the SC kit will be complete with the only addtions for higher HP will be pulley, calibration & fuel system parts needed. (options on the kit)
i live here in hollywood and im ready to drop off my top banana to get all sms'd out my man. when do you want it?:beerchug:
The 700 hp 570 x will be a complete unit with a full warranty, that said it means that the weak links will have been taken care of, (not much different then was done for the mustang E) on that car the trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc, were all replacded with new redesigned units.
As for the aftermarket SC kits, there will be options to purchase these other items to help hold the power,( a full kit will be offered) or just the SC kit by itself for consumers that want to do it themselves, the SC kit will be complete with the only addtions for higher HP will be pulley, calibration & fuel system parts needed. (options on the kit)
What kind of pricing do the Mustang guys pay for a similar kit ("hold the power")?
AlbertaAMX
08-24-2008, 09:36 PM
Search is your friend? I really can't see a mustang Saleen SC kit being hard to google.
Search is your friend? I really can't see a mustang Saleen SC kit being hard to google.
Nope....didn't find anything with pricing for "on that car the trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc, were all replaced with new redesigned units." That's why I asked! But thanks for pointing the search feature out to me smart guy! :beerchug:
netnathan
08-24-2008, 11:03 PM
You just have to know how to "Google".....
"Googled" - "Saleen supercharger kit for mustang"
Stage 3 Motorsports:
5.4L 430HP $5399:
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/product/S10-1607-B15242/200508_Ford_F150_Saleen_331_54L_Supercharger_Kit.h tml
4.6 L 550HP kit $6299:
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/product/S10-1607-B15372/200508_Mustang_GT_Saleen_550HP_Supercharger_Kit.ht ml
Some higher priced ones at $6000 and $7500:
http://www.grounddynamics.com/Templates/frmTemplateq.asp?SubFolderID=1012&SearchYN=N
I believe there is a 700 HP kit but it is not really streetable.
As you can see...on all but the one for the older Mustang .....Design is "close to" the one for the Hemi.
You just have to know how to "Google".....
"Googled" - "Saleen supercharger kit for mustang"
Stage 3 Motorsports:
5.4L 430HP $5399:
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/product/S10-1607-B15242/200508_Ford_F150_Saleen_331_54L_Supercharger_Kit.h tml
4.6 L 550HP kit $6299:
http://www.stage3motorsports.com/product/S10-1607-B15372/200508_Mustang_GT_Saleen_550HP_Supercharger_Kit.ht ml
As you can see...Design is "close to" the one for the Hemi.
Thanks Nathan you turd...LOL! I found those before. After rereading the post a little slower I NOW realize that he wasn't talking about "trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc," as part of some big kit. That's what I was referring to!! :blam:
netnathan
08-24-2008, 11:47 PM
Oh...never mind...
Hypermotard1
08-25-2008, 11:02 AM
Thanks Nathan you turd...LOL! I found those before. After rereading the post a little slower I NOW realize that he wasn't talking about "trans, axles, control arms, clutch, drive shaft, diff, crank , rods, pistons, cams, etc," as part of some big kit. That's what I was referring to!! :blam:
What I was talking about was the 570x which will be a full car, (just like the mustang e) it does mean that we are designing all new parts to help fix the weak links and those will be sold seperatly, (you wont have to buy the whole car)
roswald0511
08-25-2008, 11:50 AM
Do you need an EAST Coast Tester? :rock:
hifees
08-25-2008, 12:06 PM
That would be awesome if sms made a whole package kit for the lx with axles,trans and all the other high hp parts needed. I wonder if they would be able to do this. One would think if they could do this as package it should be cheaper as a whole.
Blown7
08-25-2008, 12:18 PM
Questions for the SMS crew,
Is this an integral blower/rotor/manifold design as opposed to a separate removeable blower head (Eaton/Whipple/Harrop type) discharging into a plenum/manifold?????
Are the blower rotors your own design??
Jeff
Hypermotard1
08-25-2008, 04:52 PM
Questions for the SMS crew,
Is this an integral blower/rotor/manifold design as opposed to a separate removeable blower head (Eaton/Whipple/Harrop type) discharging into a plenum/manifold?????
Are the blower rotors your own design??
Jeff
The SC is seperate from the plenum, and the rotors are our own design.
ReCoil
08-27-2008, 09:09 PM
This post has me very excited at the future of our cars..
hifees
08-30-2008, 12:04 PM
Are we there yet? Whats the good word?
OA-5599
09-18-2008, 08:31 AM
Gotta bump this, winter on the way, good time for such a project. .
Einsteiniac
09-18-2008, 08:18 PM
Gotta bump this, winter on the way, good time for such a project. .
Now I just have to sell a kidney on the blackmarket and I will be set!
OA-5599
09-19-2008, 08:44 AM
Now I just have to sell a kidney on the blackmarket and I will be set!
Funny! After supporting her for nearly five years, my daughter graduated from college in May and 10 days later landed a full-time job, for me it was like getting a sudden, huge pay raise! I know I should be stuffing money in a mattress but I was never good with saving for an uncertain future. Would rather be :modding:
surfcity
09-20-2008, 10:53 AM
Can't wait!
How about a M&G at the shop around the release date???:racing:
hifees
09-28-2008, 10:28 AM
When is the release date?
ylwnana
09-30-2008, 12:53 PM
its supposed to be mid october but well see. i think the only petrol heads getting them that early are the peeps putting down a 500$ deposit.
Q8SRT8
10-08-2008, 07:48 AM
hmmmmmz , whats the word on this thing ?
Mister HP
10-08-2008, 09:33 AM
I'm interested as well, we hope to be building cars with this blower very soon!
Ed
Four26
10-09-2008, 10:12 AM
+1 ^^ but has anyone discussed, and maybe I missed this, what should be done to the bottom half of your engine to substain the additional power created. I am assuming it will be better to purchase a forged short block and place on top. I would hate to bolt this thing up and have rods and crap come flying out my hood:modding:
Trojan
10-09-2008, 10:23 AM
The unit is set up to work perfect on a stock bottom end, Its made as a bolt on feature for a stock motor, That being said you could do a forged , low comp motor and turn the boost up even more, But it would be safe as the unit comes to run on a stock bottom end.
Mister HP
10-09-2008, 10:25 AM
+1 ^^ but has anyone discussed, and maybe I missed this, what should be done to the bottom half of your engine to substain the additional power created. I am assuming it will be better to purchase a forged short block and place on top. I would hate to bolt this thing up and have rods and crap come flying out my hood:modding:
You can safely run 5-6 lbs of boost on a stock bottom end as long as it's properly tuned. SMS said they are supplying tuning with base kits for 4.5 lbs of boost. I wouldn't see any issues with this boost level.
The blowers should be capable of much more boost, so if you wanted to add a 426 low comp shortblock , and install the blower on top, you would see much bigger power numbers.
Ed
Jected
10-09-2008, 05:33 PM
Boost levels as mentioned above with this setup should work work well on a stock bottom end. It does work and work well.
Yes having a forged bottom end is the ideal situation, but I am sure the guys at SMS have designed this to work well with either scenario.
Q8SRT8
10-22-2008, 01:32 AM
hmm , i've been hearing from everyone about how good this kit is , and how good is that .. but yet i havent seen any numbers not even from the guys who made this kit ..
i demand a video or something :)
Well hopefully by now they've figured out the throttle body has to be plugged in to work. :)
Trojan
10-22-2008, 12:28 PM
Well hopefully by now they've figured out the throttle body has to be plugged in to work. :)
Ouch! its coming I speak with Sean almost daily, you guys know how this works, Gotta expect a few delays, Ive been assured I will have a blower on my car from SMS by SEMA. We can pressure the heck out of them but rather then rush this out there meticulously going thru everything. I would rather it come out a few weeks late and work then come out now and have issues. Diablo was well worth the wait and I expect the SMS Super Charger to be no different!
Jected
10-22-2008, 01:47 PM
Well if it doesn't come through mate there are 2 PD kits now available (go the Aussies :)) and come in your choice of either a twin screw (Whipple) or latest generation roots blower (Harrop).
Midnight451
10-22-2008, 01:55 PM
As long as they release it by march. That's my target date to get one. I wish they updated their website with updates or info about it.
Trojan
10-22-2008, 03:14 PM
Im sticking with SMS tell the hub caps fall off! Anything easy to get ain't worth getting, I have all the faith in the world with Steve, Sean Saleen. I expect to be dialed in and on the track at MFO6 making heads turn!!!
tank8289
10-22-2008, 04:51 PM
Well if it doesn't come through mate there are 2 PD kits now available (go the Aussies :)) and come in your choice of either a twin screw (Whipple) or latest generation roots blower (Harrop).
Whipple makes a kit for our car? did i miss something?
Super T
10-22-2008, 05:02 PM
Whipple makes a kit for our car? did i miss something?
You going to SEMA? ;-)
tank8289
10-22-2008, 05:36 PM
You going to SEMA? ;-)
If i lived on the west coast i would be going, but its too far for me.
Jected
10-22-2008, 05:37 PM
Whipple makes a kit for our car? did i miss something?
Its a whipple 2.4L twin screw blower used in the new setup/kit but its not whipple. Once again te Aussies come through with the goods. This new setup was completely designed/R&D, manufactured, tested and tuned here in Australia and will be distributed in the USA through PPP.
I believe they are ready, or extremely close to being ready for distribution. The kit has been in final testing for the last few months and has been road testing for the last 2 months (approx). At 5psi the kit made 460rwhp on an SRT8 and has HEAPS more in it.
PPP can help you out with the details and pricing when it comes to hand.
tank8289
10-22-2008, 05:40 PM
Its a whipple 2.4L twin screw setup/kit, designed/R&D, manufactured, tested and tuned here in Australia and distributed in the USA through PPP.
I believe they are ready, or extremely close to being ready for distribution. The kit has been in final testing for the last few months and has been road testing for the last 2 months (approx).
PPP can help you out with the details and pricing when it comes to hand.
Is there any info about it on the web?
Super T
10-22-2008, 05:45 PM
Is there any info about it on the web?
No, seriously, wait for SEMA... that's why the show in Vegas exists, debuting new products...
Jected
10-22-2008, 05:47 PM
Will see what I can get for you.
Pic of the kit (pre production pic though). The Bullet designed intake manifold is used, the rest is new design including CAI.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x281/PPP-Tech/Copyofchrysler300016.jpg
Mister HP
10-22-2008, 05:49 PM
Will see what I can get for you.
Pic of the kit (pre production pic though). The Bullet manifold is used, the rest is new design including CAI.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x281/PPP-Tech/Copyofchrysler300016.jpg
Would this be the mysterious "Package???"
Jected
10-22-2008, 05:51 PM
As per PPP.
The standard features of the 2.4L Whipple intercooled kits will include:
* Latest generation 2.4L screw compressor
* Efficient Water to Air intercooler system- with large alloy front radiator core
* Larger hi flow billet fuel rails, injectors and in-tank fuel pump
* New pre blower air intake system to suit factory air box or aftermarket CAI setups
This kit will come in IC only and will suit 5.7 and 6.1 and can be sold with the Predator Hand Held Flash programmer for tune shops with access to the Diablo CMR software.
Pricing to be determined and estimated availability is end of October.
Jected
10-22-2008, 05:53 PM
Would this be the mysterious "Package???"
Nope.....Nice try though :)
Mister HP
10-22-2008, 09:07 PM
Nope.....Nice try though :)
Jeez Daniel, you're killing me........
crhemi
10-22-2008, 09:51 PM
:popcorn:All I can do is...
D, Show us the "Package"!:panic:
Jected
10-22-2008, 10:43 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v668/jected/Engine%20Rebuild/v8srt8-0759.jpg
04hemipwr
10-22-2008, 10:50 PM
sweet mother of!!!!!
Trojan
10-22-2008, 10:51 PM
Sick!!!
Jected
10-22-2008, 10:52 PM
Thread and pics here http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?p=1839733#post1839733
Q8SRT8
10-23-2008, 09:21 AM
im horney nooooooooow
OA-5599
10-24-2008, 12:09 AM
Mad Max to the MAX!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v435/theweeb/800px-07_Mad_Max_Car_at_Silverton_H.jpg
ReCoil
10-24-2008, 03:00 AM
Must resist the urge to mortgage the house.. Must resist.. :drool:
ylwnana
11-02-2008, 10:56 AM
so this is not a sms thread anymore? the first one who get a 50 state legal status wins my dough.
Trojan
11-02-2008, 11:45 AM
so this is not a sms thread anymore? the first one who get a 50 state legal status wins my dough.
Yeah it is, The Hi-Jack is over and the SMS Blower is on my challenger in route to SEMA.
ylwnana
11-03-2008, 09:58 AM
Yeah it is, The Hi-Jack is over and the SMS Blower is on my challenger in route to SEMA.
could possibly be the nicest car in the world. really sick.
smoove7410
11-03-2008, 12:55 PM
So sick....
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/techpwrsparky/trojans%20build/DSCI0055.jpg
Mighty Noid
11-03-2008, 01:01 PM
So sick....
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c249/techpwrsparky/trojans%20build/DSCI0055.jpg
Man Chris that powdercoat intake looks F'N GREAT!!!!!!
SublimeDaytona268
11-03-2008, 01:15 PM
Baaaadddd Aassssssssss!!!!!!!!
More pictures please!!!
-Pat
Maistro69
11-03-2008, 09:42 PM
^^^^ PRETTY PLEASE!!! with sugar on top
MI_RoadnTrack08
11-08-2008, 12:27 PM
That is badass!! Hmmmm - Oh Santa!
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