How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes

[DMAG]

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

If there are any stored codes, they will appear immediately, in place of the odometer. For instance an "INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH" error will set a code of P0113.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg


Once the codes have been displayed, you'll see "-----". If there are no trouble codes, the dashes will be the first item displayed.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/2.jpg


After a few seconds, the display changes to "-dOnE-".

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/3.jpg


This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

[SilverMagRT]

Here is a link to a list of OBD codes I found via Goooooooooooooogle. There were other sites this has alot of information about the OBD system.

http://www.obdii.com/codes.html

[BobFam]

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

If there are any stored codes, they will appear immediately, in place of the odometer. For instance an "INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH" error will set a code of P0113.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg


Once the codes have been displayed, you'll see "-----". If there are no trouble codes, the dashes will be the first item displayed.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/2.jpg


After a few seconds, the display changes to "-dOnE-".

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/3.jpg


This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

Hi. I tried it on my 2006 300C and it does not work. Is there something I am missing? Thanks, regards, Bob.

[Tommy T.]

Others have had the same problem, it's all in the speed at which you cycle the key in the ignition (even 3 seconds may be too much).

Gotta do it pretty quickly. Hopefully this will help.

-- Tommy

[BobFam]

Thanks Tommy. Guess I'll try faster. Best regards, Bob.

[magnumdude]

tried it....no work, will go down and try again faster

[magnumdude]

did it fast and it worked....thanks....no codes

[BobFam]

Hi. Did you go all the way back to ACC each time? I have tried all ways and can't get it to work. I read somewher all you had to do was go to ON then slightly back until the LED's are off and back to On and repeat it stopping at ON. I am going to try again a lot faster both ways. Thanks, best regards, Bob.

[MattRobertson]

I don't have the EVIC as in the example and am happy to report it works for my car as well.

[Animal451]

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg



I tried the Fuse 17 option and now I'm getting 0120 and 1120 codes. My question is the letter in front of the code. My car shows a "U" instead of the "P", what is the difference?

Also wanted to know if there is a way to clear the codes, I have read that the OBD II tools won't work (although I probably should try to use mine).

[Meister]

...Also wanted to know if there is a way to clear the codes...
Try pulling fuse 11 for 30 seconds or so.

[fnkychkn]

My car shows a "U" instead of the "P", what is the difference?
U = communication
P = powertrain

[Animal451]

Try pulling fuse 11 for 30 seconds or so.

Thanks, that worked . . .

[351Freak]

U = communication
P = powertrain

copy/paste...


Anatomy of the DTC

A DTC is made up of 5 digits. The figure below demonstrates the composition of a DTC. With this information it is easier to trouble shoot a DTC without knowing the description of the code.

http://www.obdii.com/images/dtcdia.gif

[hemiboy29]

What do you mean by "then back to ACC"????

[hemiboy29]

Bro i dunno man cuz i got the complete code list and no code starts with any other letter than "P"

[ktek01]

Bro i dunno man cuz i got the complete code list and no code starts with any other letter than "P"

The "complete code list" only covers OBDII codes, not manufacturer specific codes. P1000 and higher are manufacturer specific, and so are the ones that start with other letters.

[HemiChemi]

Over in ChargerForum, we've come across this site which has some codes not found in the above OBDII look-ups, which have helped us a time or three:

http://www.iequus.com/support/obd2_definitions.php

[crazylikeacharger]

is this only possible with the evic equiped cars???

[glhs837]

The codes shoud, the other tricks might not. It will display in the odometer window

[wquiles]

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

Thanks much. This came very handy today :thumbs_u:

Will

[magnum375]

I had my check engine light come on. I did the ignition check as stated in this log. I want to thank you guys. I did as you wrote and the check engine light has since gone out. So My many thanks to you.

Magnum375

[daytona torRed]

not trying bring back an old post but this on,off,on,off,on procedure works on all chrysler products from early 80's to date.only diff is cars without display panels,the check engine light will flash.say the code is 55 which is the end code the check engine lght will flash 5 times puase flash 5 times.these code numbers are not OBDII but can be found the the repair manules such as chilton ect...hope this helps.

[quarky42]

Knowledgebase threads never die. They just idle sometimes. Good info. Thanks.

[1sthemi]

What if the CEL light blinked 89 times insteaD of the actual code

[fnkychkn]

What if the CEL light blinked 89 times insteaD of the actual codeif MIL flashes after key on it means that not all OBD2 monitors have run since last reset and you'll have to wait till they all run and pass before passing an emission test.

[Scarbs]

OK
I got one tonight. The Wife hit the Rev limiter chasing this guy that cut her off. Don't mess with her! Any way, she hit the red line and the Maggie stalled out but then cam back like it should. Now there is a Cel on the dash. I run the code check and no codes. Shouldn't there be a code if there is a Cel?
Her Maggie is a base RT so no evic stuff. I pulled fuse 11 for 5 min but still the cel and no code. Gave it some time then checked it again same thing. I took out 11 for the night I'll try it again in the morning. It wouldn't bother me if so much if it would just give me a code.

[S&CSRT8]

When I did this to check mine to get a code I did it 10- 12 times and only 2 times I was able to see P0700 and all other times I got _ _ _ _ _ Shouldnt the code come up everytime? Also another thing I noticed was after I put key in acc the CEL blinked 10 times the stayed solid? When the car is running the CEL stays solid?

[fnkychkn]

When I did this to check mine to get a code I did it 10- 12 times and only 2 times I was able to see P0700 and all other times I got _ _ _ _ _ Shouldnt the code come up everytime? Also another thing I noticed was after I put key in acc the CEL blinked 10 times the stayed solid? When the car is running the CEL stays solid?
P0700 means that the PCM has detected a fault present in the TCM. need to get it scaned to find out the TCM code.

btw, welcome to LXforums. :)

[fnkychkn]

OK
I got one tonight. The Wife hit the Rev limiter chasing this guy that cut her off. Don't mess with her! Any way, she hit the red line and the Maggie stalled out but then cam back like it should. Now there is a Cel on the dash. I run the code check and no codes. Shouldn't there be a code if there is a Cel?
Her Maggie is a base RT so no evic stuff. I pulled fuse 11 for 5 min but still the cel and no code. Gave it some time then checked it again same thing. I took out 11 for the night I'll try it again in the morning. It wouldn't bother me if so much if it would just give me a code.
if MIL illuminated because of a transmission fault, you may not see the code.

[S&CSRT8]

P0700 means that the PCM has detected a fault present in the TCM. need to get it scaned to find out the TCM code.

btw, welcome to LXforums. :)

Thanks for the welcome What is TCM?

[fnkychkn]

Thanks for the welcome What is TCM?
PCM - powertrain control module/engine controller
TCM - transmission control module

[S&CSRT8]

So I would not be able to see the TCM code? Only the dealer can scan and see it? I also tried resetting by pulling #11 fuse and disconnecting battery for 10 minutes. Did not reset it though

[fnkychkn]

So I would not be able to see the TCM code? Only the dealer can scan and see it? I also tried resetting by pulling #11 fuse and disconnecting battery for 10 minutes. Did not reset it though
don't know of any other scanner that can retrieve codes from all vehicle systems like the dealer's starscan.

pulling fuse 11 will not erase codes from TCM. fuse 11 only powers PCM. a starscan is required to erase all TCM codes.

[joseph]

Can superchips erase codes?

[fnkychkn]

Can superchips erase codes?i have seen SC erase PCM codes. not sure about other modules.

[moparman53]

I got it to work. I had P 0128. Need to look it up. Pulled fuse 11 for 30 secs. It's gone for now.

[FleshWound]

Code Make DescriptionP0513GenericIncorrect Immobilizer Key

http://www.iequus.com/support/obd2_definitions.php (http://www.iequus.com/support/obd2_definitions.php)




had a recent remote starter installed, but never checked the DTC prior to this.

any clues as to why and fixes available?

thanks..Flesh

[fnkychkn]

most likely caused by remote start install. pull fuse #11 from IPM (integrated power module/under hood fuse box) for 15 seconds. that should clear it.

[FleshWound]

most likely caused by remote start install. pull fuse #11 from IPM (integrated power module/under hood fuse box) for 15 seconds. that should clear it.

Thanks fnky, that solved the problem. Cheers!

[Scott]

I couldn't find a list of trouble codes beginning with U. Is this available?

The code I'm getting is U0103. According to the key provided in this thread, that correspondes to:

U=Communications - Network
0=SAE
1=Fuel and air metering
0=SAE
3=Ignition systems or misfire

This is isn't very specific. BTW, it was -17F today, my coldest starting temp since buying my Magnum in Dec 04.

My dealer tells me that Chrysler/Dodge no longer provides a cross-reference to explain the trouble codes, a star-scan needs to be connected. Which I will make an appt to get done.

The Malfunction Indicator Light is solid and not flashing, which the owner' manual indicates is a low severity problem.

Any other information on U codes?

Thanks in advance,
Scott

[Ripp]

Hey, sorry to resurrect old threads, and not LX related, but... the wife's 2007 Pacifica CEL came on, but I'll be damned if I can get the "key dance" to show me anything. WTF!! On the Mag it at least shows the '---- done' business, but this nothing, no codes, no anything. 4.0L 6-spd, w/ the Pac. EVIC... I think this thing must be CAN bus now as well, as my handheld OBDII reader wouldn't even link up, just like w/ the Mag.

Any suggestions? :wtf:

[fnkychkn]

Hey, sorry to resurrect old threads, and not LX related, but... the wife's 2007 Pacifica CEL came on, but I'll be damned if I can get the "key dance" to show me anything. WTF!! On the Mag it at least shows the '---- done' business, but this nothing, no codes, no anything. 4.0L 6-spd, w/ the Pac. EVIC... I think this thing must be CAN bus now as well, as my handheld OBDII reader wouldn't even link up, just like w/ the Mag.

Any suggestions? :wtf:
the '07 Pacifica uses a hybrid Bus architecture. some modules communicate on CAN-C bus, some communicate CAN-B bus, while others use old style PCI single wire bus. haven't tried the key dance on one yet so i don't know if it's supposed to work or not. your dealer should take care of this issue for you.

good luck.

[Pale Rider]

According to my Superchips, I have a code of B1638. What is this?


I also have a Thermostat code, but that's because of a 170.

[bremo76]

interesting

[fnkychkn]

According to my Superchips, I have a code of B1638. What is this?


I also have a Thermostat code, but that's because of a 170.
B1638-RIGHT HI BEAM CONTROL CIRCUIT HIGH


When Monitored:
With the Headlamps activated.
Set Condition:
When the FCM detects a HIGH condition.Possible Causes
(L34) RIGHT HIGH BEAM CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO B+
RIGHT HIGH BEAM LAMP
FRONT CONTROL MODULE

most likely caused by a burnt high beam headlamp bulb.

[Pale Rider]

B1638-RIGHT HI BEAM CONTROL CIRCUIT HIGH

most likely caused by a burnt high beam headlamp bulb.

OK, this is wierd. I'll obviously check, but I JUST CHANGED MY HIGHBEAMS! %#*%$ (%#@*%$)!

I was going to move my highbeams to the fog lights, and noticed that the existing high beam bulbs (both) had a brown coloration inside them. So I bought 4 new bulbs, 2 for the fogs, and 2 for the high beams. The ones in the highbeams are Sylvania "Extra Vision" - one week old. So, it's not like they are some made in China off brand - strange.

Thanks fnky, I'll report back as to what this was.

[fnkychkn]

OK, this is wierd. I'll obviously check, but I JUST CHANGED MY HIGHBEAMS! %#*%$!

I was going to move my highbeams to the fog lights, and noticed that the existing high beam bulbs (both) had a brown coloration inside them. So I bought 4 new bulbs, 2 for the fogs, and 2 for the high beams. The ones in the highbeams are Sylvania "Extra Vision" - one week old. So, it's not like they are some made in China off brand - strange.

Thanks fnky, I'll report back as to what this was.
did you have them on with one unplugged? maybe to test after replacing one?

[GotMe-N-R/T]

Did the key dance on my non-evic dash and I got the code 441 for my CEL. Whats this?

[Hemi31]

Did the key dance on my non-evic dash and I got the code 441 for my CEL. Whats this?
DTC P0441 Evaporative Emission Control System Incorrect Purge Flow

[fnkychkn]

Did the key dance on my non-evic dash and I got the code 441 for my CEL. Whats this?
P0441-EVAP PURGE SYSTEM PERFORMANCE

When Monitored: Cold start test. Engine Running. Small Leak Test Passed.
Set Condition: The PCM activates the EVAP Purge solenoid gradually increases to maximum flow. During flow, the PCM looks for the NVLD switch to close. If the PCM does not see the NVLD switch close at maximum flow an error is detected. Two Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
EVAP PURGE SOLENOID VACUUM SUPPLY
EVAP PURGE SOLENOID

[GotMe-N-R/T]

Thanks Hemi31 and fnkychkn...it was a vac hose and we will see how everything goes now.

[dennis808]

I have the MIL light showing and tried this. No codes, got dashes from the get go but the MIL is still lit up. Not flashing but lit up. Any advice? I may take it in. =(

[fnkychkn]

I have the MIL light showing and tried this. No codes, got dashes from the get go but the MIL is still lit up. Not flashing but lit up. Any advice? I may take it in. =(might be a transmission code. not sure if those show up using the key dance.

[Pale Rider]

did you have them on with one unplugged? maybe to test after replacing one?

I bet that's it. The code has not come back. All lights are working great.

Thanks so much!
:thumbs_u:

[GotMe-N-R/T]

I just wanted to thank you fnkychkn for telling me what the code meant and hemi31 for helping me fix it.

[crazylikeacharger]

okay i took off my ram air airbox and reinstalled it today and my Intake sensor popped out without me noticing and the sensor connector and sensor fell into the belt and were sheered off but fell onto the belly pan. found something was up when the check engine light was on and found this. took and soldered on the connector back to the wires and hooked it all back up. how long till my code will clear???

[fnkychkn]

okay i took off my ram air airbox and reinstalled it today and my Intake sensor popped out without me noticing and the sensor connector and sensor fell into the belt and were sheered off but fell onto the belly pan. found something was up when the check engine light was on and found this. took and soldered on the connector back to the wires and hooked it all back up. how long till my code will clear???
assuming the circuit integrity is no longer compromised since the repair, you can clear the DTC by pulling fuse 11 in the IPM (integrated power module/front fuse box) for 15 seconds.

[crazylikeacharger]

cool cool
thanks for the tip. i matched everything up and it should be working just fine. we will see tomorrow. is there any possible damage going to be caused by this light being on

[fnkychkn]

cool cool
thanks for the tip. i matched everything up and it should be working just fine. we will see tomorrow. is there any possible damage going to be caused by this light being on
the light being on will not cause damage other than shortening bulb life. :wink:

[crazylikeacharger]

thanks for making me feel like the idiot i am

[LLroomtempJ]

I tried the whole key thing and I got "0406" last night. I did a million searches online and only found something on a dodge intrepid site that said something about an EGR valve.

I took it to the dealer when the light first came on in june and they said something about a solenoid that did something with the oxygen in the exhaust system and it costing $500 to repair (i'm no longer under the warranty).

I don't know if the Solenoid is still an issue. My check engine light does not stay on consistently. It will come on randomly for about 2 days and then go off for a much longer period of time. I can make it come on by driving really aggressively (i.e. rpms up in the 5k-6k range)

The current issue is 0406. I have an emissions inspection that I have to get done in november. The gas mileage on my Magnum SE (runs from stones being thrown at me by rt and srt8 owners) is relatively consistent - generally between 20 and 26 depending on the kind of driving I do.

[glhs837]

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=38878&highlight=p0406

Heres our resident experts response to a similar query. Good thing to know is to use P in front of the code. Stands for powertrain. All codes are vbroken down by system type. P= Powertrain, U= System Data Bus.

[ynot_5_0]

Well just tried this on my R/T, I got the code 0452. What would be the cause of this? Will it reset it self or is it something that it should be taken in for? Thanks in advance!

[Magma]

Just tried it in my non EVIC 2005 SXT and it worked perfectly.... and no codes either.... woo hoo!

[fnkychkn]

Well just tried this on my R/T, I got the code 0452. What would be the cause of this? Will it reset it self or is it something that it should be taken in for? Thanks in advance!
P0452-EVAP PRESSURE SWITCH STUCK CLOSED
When Monitored: Immediately after key off.
Set Condition: At key off, the PCM energizes the Purge Solenoid for a calibrated amount of time (30 seconds maximum) and stores the state of the ESIM switch. The state is evaluated again at the next key on. If the PCM does not detect that the ESIM switch is open, an error is detected. Two Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.
Possible Causes
INTERMITTENT DTC
EVAP PURGE HOSE/TUBE OBSTRUCTION
(K107) ESM SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K52) EVAP PURGE CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
EVAPORATIVE SYSTEM MONITOR SWITCH
EVAP PURGE SOLENOID
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)



ESIM (evaporative system integrity monitor) is new for '07 and replaces NVLD (natural vacuum leak detector) used on previous models.

i have not seen this DTC on an LX yet but have seen it on calibers and it was repaired by a flash update.

[ynot_5_0]

Thank you. I pulled the 11 fuse for a little and the code does not show up anymore. I'll give it some more time and see what happens.

[ynot_5_0]

Well it's back!

[ControlledChaos]

U 1113 on a '05 Magnum. I dont have a clue on this.

[fnkychkn]

Well it's back!
best see your dealer.

[fnkychkn]

U 1113 on a '05 Magnum. I dont have a clue on this.
couldn't find that one. are you sure of the code?

[ControlledChaos]

Did the key dance and this is what came up. After that code it went to the ------ then the done screen so i assume that it was a code. It didn't show any more codes after that one.

[ControlledChaos]

Still nothing on this. I havent tried the key dance again to see if the code went away or not. I wonder if this is some thing that i will have to pick a techs brain about?

[fnkychkn]

...I wonder if this is some thing that i will have to pick a techs brain about?
you're doing that now. :)

what engine in your LX?

[TORREDAYTONA]

hmmm??

[ControlledChaos]

it has the 5.7 L Hemi in it with around 38,000 miles on it. I have had some problems with tranny issues in the past but I don't think that this code is anything to do with it as if I read the code script correctly this is a Communication problem, but I could be wrong about that.

[fnkychkn]

OK CC, took me a while but i finally found it. only problem is that it's an invalid code for your magnum. this code is only valid on 3.0L diesel engine ECM used overseas.

U1113-LOST AC PRESSURE MESSAGE




When Monitored:

Continuously while the system is active.
Set Condition: An invalid message has been received over the bus from the Front Control Module (FCM).Possible Causes
INTERMITTENT DTC
CAN BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
FRONT CONTROL MODULE (FCM)
ENGINE CONTROL MODULE (ECM)



perhaps you may have misread the code. i did find this one that is very close and is valid for your car:

U1118-LOST ENGINE MESSAGE

Theory of Operation

The Transmission Control Module (TCM) receives information from the Engine, Anti-lock Brake System, and the Electronic Gear Shift control modules over the CAN C bus. The CAN C bus is a high speed communication bus that allows real time control capability between various controllers. Most messages are sent every 20 mSec, this means critical information can be shared between multiple controllers almost instantaneously. The CAN C bus is a two wire bus with a CAN (+) and a CAN (-) circuit. To reduce the potential of radio and other electrical noise interference, the CAN Bus circuit wiring is manufactured using a twisted pair configuration within the electrical wiring harness.


When Monitored:

Continuously with the ignition on.
Set Condition: The DTC will set if a valid CAN ID was not received in the required time from the ECM/PCM.Possible Causes
TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE


please recheck code. although i have seen some diesel engine codes appear on domestic LXs, it's pretty rare. not saying you have dyslexia, just trying to be as accurate as possible. :)

[ControlledChaos]

I will check it again as soon as I get a chance to. i will also try taking a picture of it so i have some proof im not crazy.:wink:


edit* went out and had a smoke and snapped a picture of it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v708/Controlled_Chaos/New%20Car/DSC00852.jpg

sorry for the bad pic its night time and the flash likes to be bright.

[fnkychkn]

i've asked Tbird100636 & klarmie (both dealer techs) to chime in. hopefully, they'll have some insight on this mystery.

all i can think of is that maybe the vehicle configuration has been corrupted somehow and needs to be restored. this can be done by your dealer.

[Tbird100636]

On my PDF 2006 service manual, it's diesel only. On TechConnect, it is listed as a possible code for 2006, 2007, and 2008, Gas or Diesel. I have often seen this code after flashing a module, along with U1120-Lost Wheel Speed Distance Message.

[fnkychkn]

On my PDF 2006 service manual, it's diesel only. On TechConnect, it is listed as a possible code for 2006, 2007, and 2008, Gas or Diesel. I have often seen this code after flashing a module, along with U1120-Lost Wheel Speed Distance Message.
thanks for chiming in Tbird. i never checked for years other than '05. just lazy i guess. :roll:

[ControlledChaos]

Hmmmm a mystery is brewing then.:wink: I dont like going to the dealer after My warrenty has run out and im strapped for cash. I will keep it in mind though when i get a chance to go back there.

[bigdaddygussy]

Ok, well I did the key dance as instructed and no code displayed...just -----, which as indicated means no trouble codes. The engine light is back on too.

[fnkychkn]

Ok, well I did the key dance as instructed and no code displayed...just -----, which as indicated means no trouble codes. The engine light is back on too.
i'm thinking you'll need a scanner to diagnose this one.
the TCM can store DTCs but has no malfunction indicator. therefore the PCM monitors the TCM and will illuminate the engine light when needed. it may not be able to display the actual DTC.

[bremo76]

What's the key dance?

[fnkychkn]

What's the key dance?
see first post in this thread.

[ControlledChaos]

I had a little problem tonight that I had before and did the key dance to find out what it was and it gave me P0700. I did a search on the forums and got a few threads with the code in it as well as people experiencing the same problem I had tonight.

[fnkychkn]

I had a little problem tonight that I had before and did the key dance to find out what it was and it gave me P0700. I did a search on the forums and got a few threads with the code in it as well as people experiencing the same problem I had tonight.

P0700-TRANSMISSION CONTROL SYSTEM (MIL REQUEST)


When Monitored: Ignition on and battery voltage greater than 10 volts.
Set Condition: An active DTC is stored in the TCM. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
DTC PRESENT IN THE TRANSMISSION CONTROL MODULE


since the TCM has no dedicated malfunction indicator, it busses a message to the PCM which requests MIL illumination and stores a generic transmission fault code. a scanner is required to further diagnose.

[perfectwave]

Ok, since this is an awesome thread to find out what these trouble codes mean.... I've had the check engine light cycle on and off a few times in the last coupla weeks with 0420 when I checked yesterday. This happened about 8 mos. ago also. Took it to the dealer and had it fixed, am I going to have to take it in again? Thanks in advance.

[SyNyStR]

here is what it means....

P0420 Catalyst System Low Efficiency

SyNyStR

[Zombifyd]

Alright, so last night I was driving home from the girlfriends house when I noticed the backwards parenthesis around a lightning bolt and the CEL were on. I pulled over, turned the car off and back on to only have the CEL remain on. So I came home right away, which was where I was going anyway and checked online to see if I could find anything. I found this thread and decided to do the key dance, got it on my first shot and came up with 2181 then went to ----. So I looked it up on one of those sites, assuming there would be a P in front of it, for the ODBII and it said generic: Cooling System Performance. Now I think to myself, that has nothing really to do with the ETC or does it. This is my first car I have owned that has all this electronic extras so I'm pretty much clueless about all this stuff. If anyone can help, that'd be great cause I just bought the car like a week and a half ago and don't want any problems. But I do have a 4yr warranty on it that covers pretty much everything on the car.

Thanks In Advance.
-Sean

[fnkychkn]

Ok, since this is an awesome thread to find out what these trouble codes mean.... I've had the check engine light cycle on and off a few times in the last coupla weeks with 0420 when I checked yesterday. This happened about 8 mos. ago also. Took it to the dealer and had it fixed, am I going to have to take it in again? Thanks in advance.
P0420-CATALYST 1/1 EFFICIENCY
Theory of Operation

The State of Change (SOC) catalyst monitor uses the signals from both the upstream and downstream O2 sensors to detect aging of the catalyst. Based on the fact that when a catalyst ages, it loses some of its Oxygen Storage Capacity (OSC). As a result, part of the untreated exhaust gases can breakthrough the catalyst and causes the downstream O2 sensor to deviate from its neutral (Stoichiometric) position. By observing the activities in the downstream O2 signal, the degradation level of catalyst can be detected. In general, the higher the downstream O2 sensor SOC value, the more exhaust gas breakthrough and the lower the OSC of the catalytic converter.


When Monitored:
The monitor will run at between 1400 and 2300 RPM. It also runs between 40 and 70 KPA.
Set Condition: If the final State of Change index is within the calibrated fail threshold. Two trip fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
EXHAUST LEAK
ENGINE MECHANICAL CONDITION
AGING O2 SENSOR
CATALYTIC CONVERTER

this DTC is quite common with high flow cats. i think a few are using O2 sims to help prevent this from recurring.

[fnkychkn]

Alright, so last night I was driving home from the girlfriends house when I noticed the backwards parenthesis around a lightning bolt and the CEL were on. I pulled over, turned the car off and back on to only have the CEL remain on. So I came home right away, which was where I was going anyway and checked online to see if I could find anything. I found this thread and decided to do the key dance, got it on my first shot and came up with 2181 then went to ----. So I looked it up on one of those sites, assuming there would be a P in front of it, for the ODBII and it said generic: Cooling System Performance. Now I think to myself, that has nothing really to do with the ETC or does it. This is my first car I have owned that has all this electronic extras so I'm pretty much clueless about all this stuff. If anyone can help, that'd be great cause I just bought the car like a week and a half ago and don't want any problems. But I do have a 4yr warranty on it that covers pretty much everything on the car.

Thanks In Advance.
-Sean
P2181-COOLING SYSTEM PERFORMANCE

When Monitored: Ignition on, Engine running, and no ECT DTCs present.
Set Condition: PCM recognizes that the ECT has failed its self coherence test. The coolant temp should only change at a certain rate, if this rate is too slow or too fast this fault will set. Two trip fault. Three good trips to clear MIL. ETC light will illuminate on first trip failure.Possible Causes
LOW COOLANT LEVEL
(K2) ECT SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K2) ECT SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
(K900) SENSOR GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN
(K2) ECT SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K2) ECT SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO THE (K900) SENSOR GROUND
THERMOSTAT
ECT SENSOR
PCM

not sure why the ETC (electronic throttle control) warning lamp illuminated. usually it comes on when a torque management request is denied.

[Zombifyd]

So I decided to remove fuse 11 for 30 seconds and then turned the car on and the CEL light is now off for good with no problem for the next 50 miles of my driving tonight. Now when I do the key dance no codes come up. So am I in the clear for now?

[fnkychkn]

So I decided to remove fuse 11 for 30 seconds and then turned the car on and the CEL light is now off for good with no problem for the next 50 miles of my driving tonight. Now when I do the key dance no codes come up. So am I in the clear for now?
for now.

[razman131]

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

If there are any stored codes, they will appear immediately, in place of the odometer. For instance an "INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH" error will set a code of P0113.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg


Once the codes have been displayed, you'll see "-----". If there are no trouble codes, the dashes will be the first item displayed.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/2.jpg


After a few seconds, the display changes to "-dOnE-".

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/3.jpg


This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

not for the 98 or 99 Dodge trucks....

[fnkychkn]

not for the 98 or 99 Dodge trucks....
try going on-off instead of on-acc.

[Tbird100636]

try going on-off instead of on-acc.
98 trucks won't do it. I always try to do the key dance on a car when I first get in it and found with the 98 trucks which had the silver LCD odometer it won't work. The MIL doesn't even flash either like older Mopars. 99 they switched to the blue LCD odometer and it works fine.

[fnkychkn]

98 trucks won't do it. I always try to do the key dance on a car when I first get in it and found with the 98 trucks which had the silver LCD odometer it won't work. The MIL doesn't even flash either like older Mopars. 99 they switched to the blue LCD odometer and it works fine.
good to know. thanks Tbird. :)

[crayzbass]

guys my mag is running really bad, popped up code p0339 , any ideas? i am going to bring it in for repair but wanted to check here first

[fnkychkn]

P0339-CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR INTERMITTENT


When Monitored: While cranking the engine and with the engine running.
Set Condition: When the CKP Sensor failure counter reaches 20. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
(F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT OPEN
(F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO THE (F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR <<< most likely cause
TONE WHEEL/PULSE RING
PCM

[crayzbass]

P0339-CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR INTERMITTENT


When Monitored: While cranking the engine and with the engine running.
Set Condition: When the CKP Sensor failure counter reaches 20. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
(F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT OPEN
(F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT OPEN
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K24) CKP SIGNAL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO THE (F855) 5-VOLT SUPPLY CIRCUIT
CRANKSHAFT POSITION SENSOR <<< most likely cause
TONE WHEEL/PULSE RING
PCM

how much does this repair run?

[fnkychkn]

how much does this repair run?
crank sensor should run you about 30 bucks plus about an hour's labour. if AWD, labour would be more. this does not include diagnostics.

[crayzbass]

crank sensor should run you about 30 bucks plus about an hour's labour. if AWD, labour would be more. this does not include diagnostics.

thanks man , you are like an encyclopedia

[SUPERPOWERS]

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

If there are any stored codes, they will appear immediately, in place of the odometer. For instance an "INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH" error will set a code of P0113.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg


Once the codes have been displayed, you'll see "-----". If there are no trouble codes, the dashes will be the first item displayed.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/2.jpg


After a few seconds, the display changes to "-dOnE-".

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/3.jpg


This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

This wont clear the codes will it? Just wanted to make sure that it wont, in case I have to take the car to the dealer. My car had a really rough idle and then a studdered take off, the engine light was flashing while driving it. I got to my destination 2 miles ahead and went in to work. I found this thread and went out to the car, (about 2 hours later) scanned the codes and came up with done. So I started the car and it ran fine. Im sure that it is an intermintant misfire. When it happens again (it has happened three times now) what should I do, pull over asap and try to run the code?

[fnkychkn]

This wont clear the codes will it? Just wanted to make sure that it wont, in case I have to take the car to the dealer. My car had a really rough idle and then a studdered take off, the engine light was flashing while driving it. I got to my destination 2 miles ahead and went in to work. I found this thread and went out to the car, (about 2 hours later) scanned the codes and came up with done. So I started the car and it ran fine. Im sure that it is an intermintant misfire. When it happens again (it has happened three times now) what should I do, pull over asap and try to run the code?
the key dance code retrieval procedure will not clear your codes, only display powertrain codes.

if MIL (malfunction indicator lamp) is flashing, a severe misfire is presently occuring that could damage the catalyst.
if this misfire event does not satisfy the parameters of misfire DTCs (duration too short, etc.), no code will be stored.
best not to drive with a flashing MIL.

noticed you have an '05 300C. mileage? plugs been changed yet? just a suggestion.


btw, welcome to LXforums. :)

[MOPAR31]

Help please!!!!!





On my way to my house i hit a pothole:doh: right after that my engine light when on along with my "abs/esp" and the little "car"...i did the key method and several codes appear..I was only able to look up one

P0141/ H025 Heater Circuit Bank 1 Sensor 2
What does this mean^^^^.


And here are the rest of the codes:



0141
110A
1113
103



BTW sorry im not that bright when it comes to codes :blam::doh:! LOL

Thanx A lot in advanced.


Cesar

[fnkychkn]

one drawback of using the key dance method to retrieve codes is that you only get powertrain codes and you have no idea how current the codes are. they could have been set days, weeks or months ago.

P0141 will not illuminate the ESP/BAS warning lamp so this code may have been set a while ago.

in order to properly diagnose this, you would need to retrieve all codes from all modules. AFAIK, only a starscan/starmobile can do this.

given the limited info available, i'd start by ensuring all fuses, relays and diodes are fully seated (both front and rear fuse boxes).





P0141-O2 SENSOR 1/2 HEATER PERFORMANCE

When Monitored: Continuously during O2 sensor heater operation with battery voltage between 10.4 and 15.75 volts and no O2 sensor circuit DTCs present.
Set Condition: The PCM detects no temperature change in the O2 sensor heater element when the heater circuit is active. The heater temperature is obtained by measuring the heater resistance and calculating the heater temperature. Two trip fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
INTERMITTENT DTC
(K299) O2 1/2 HEATER CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
(Z902) GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
1/2 OXYGEN SENSOR
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)




U110A-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH SCM - CAN-C

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Steering Control Module (SCM) for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO STEERING CONTROL MODULE (SCM) — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U1113-LOST A/C PRESSURE MESSAGE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM either doesn't receive a bus message or receives an implausible bus message from the Front Control Module (FCM).Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO FRONT CONTROL MODULE (FCM) — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U0103-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ELECTRIC GEAR SHIFT MODULE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Electronic Gear Shift Module for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO ELECTRONIC GEAR SHIFT MODULE — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)

[fokkerpilot]

I did the key dance with a check engine light on my 07 SXT tonight. The only thing I show is 1004. No letter before that. Went back out and did the dance again.....just 4 dashes. Started the Maggie and shut her down after check engine light illuminated. Just dashes now and no code with the Check Engine Light on. Any thoughts? It's driving me nuts right now.:sad:

[fnkychkn]

I did the key dance with a check engine light on my 07 SXT tonight. The only thing I show is 1004. No letter before that. Went back out and did the dance again.....just 4 dashes. Started the Maggie and shut her down after check engine light illuminated. Just dashes now and no code with the Check Engine Light on. Any thoughts? It's driving me nuts right now.:sad:
P1004-SHORT RUNNER VALVE CONTROL PERFORMANCE

When Monitored: With the engine run time above a calibrated value, battery voltage greater than 10.4 volts, ECT within a specific range, and the Short Runner Valve Assembly control active.
Set Condition: This PCM compares the circuit feedback to a calibrated closed range when the circuit is de-energized or to a calibrated open range when the circuit is energized. If the value is determined to be out of the calibrated range in either the de-energized or energized state for more than a calibrated amount of time, this DTC will set.Possible Causes

INTERMITTENT DTC
(F343) ASD RELAY OUTPUT CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
(K236) SRV CONTROL CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K236) SRV CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
SHORT RUNNER VALVE ASSEMBLY
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)

[fokkerpilot]

Thanks Fnkychkn! I'll print this out and take it with me to the dealership on Saturday!!

Jack

[PaulFix]

I have been getting the esp and abs lights coming on and staying on sometimes ( a couple of times several weeks ago then non for weeks then twice today

I plugged in the superchips and read code

C2116

which I looked up at http://www.iequus.com/support/obd2_definitions.php

and they said "ABS Pump Motor Supply Low Voltage"

Can anyone tell me what this code really means

I tried to activate the abs today in the rain with the light on and the abs did NOT work

My dealer needs all the help they can get with problems like this

Thx in advance

PaulFix

[fnkychkn]

C2116-ABS PUMP MOTOR SUPPLY LOW VOLTAGE

When Monitored: With the ignition on.
Set Condition: When the Anti-Lock Brake Module indicates the ABS Pump Motor circuit fails the diagnostic test.Possible Causes
WIRING HARNESS, TERMINAL, CONNECTOR DAMAGE
ABS PUMP MOTOR FUSE OPEN
(A107) FUSED B(+) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND OR OPEN
(Z907) GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN
ANTI-LOCK BRAKE MODULE

since this is an intermittant problem, i'd be checking all connections from the fuse to ABS module and from ABS module to ground.

use this schematic as a guide:
https://w05.dealerconnect.chrysler.com/service/mds2002/serviceInfo/en_US/813de245.gif

[MOPAR31]

one drawback of using the key dance method to retrieve codes is that you only get powertrain codes and you have no idea how current the codes are. they could have been set days, weeks or months ago.

P0141 will not illuminate the ESP/BAS warning lamp so this code may have been set a while ago.

in order to properly diagnose this, you would need to retrieve all codes from all modules. AFAIK, only a starscan/starmobile can do this.

given the limited info available, i'd start by ensuring all fuses, relays and diodes are fully seated (both front and rear fuse boxes).





P0141-O2 SENSOR 1/2 HEATER PERFORMANCE

When Monitored: Continuously during O2 sensor heater operation with battery voltage between 10.4 and 15.75 volts and no O2 sensor circuit DTCs present.
Set Condition: The PCM detects no temperature change in the O2 sensor heater element when the heater circuit is active. The heater temperature is obtained by measuring the heater resistance and calculating the heater temperature. Two trip fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.Possible Causes
INTERMITTENT DTC
(K299) O2 1/2 HEATER CONTROL CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
(Z902) GROUND CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
1/2 OXYGEN SENSOR
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)




U110A-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH SCM - CAN-C

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Steering Control Module (SCM) for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO STEERING CONTROL MODULE (SCM) — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U1113-LOST A/C PRESSURE MESSAGE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM either doesn't receive a bus message or receives an implausible bus message from the Front Control Module (FCM).Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO FRONT CONTROL MODULE (FCM) — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U0103-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ELECTRIC GEAR SHIFT MODULE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Electronic Gear Shift Module for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes
CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION
NO POWER TO ELECTRONIC GEAR SHIFT MODULE — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)



thank you Funky "sorry for the late thank you i didnt notice anybody had reply to this thread"..LOL more beans for you HELP!:rock:


Funky RULES!!!!!!!!!!
:mrgreen:

[PaulFix]

thanks funky, will check it out this weekend

will get back to you soon

cheers

[measella]

Pretty sure this saved me some $$. I don't have the info center, and always leave mine on the temp. It worked though.

How to Display Diagnostic Trouble Codes
by Tommy T.

Get in the car, close the door. Perform the following steps fairly quickly (less than 3 seconds) :

Turn key to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON
then back to ACC
then to ON

If there are any stored codes, they will appear immediately, in place of the odometer. For instance an "INTAKE AIR TEMPERATURE SENSOR CIRCUIT HIGH" error will set a code of P0113.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/1.jpg


Once the codes have been displayed, you'll see "-----". If there are no trouble codes, the dashes will be the first item displayed.

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/2.jpg


After a few seconds, the display changes to "-dOnE-".

http://www.lxforums.com/images/How_To/diagnostic_codes/3.jpg


This is the same procedure used on most, if not all, late model DCX vehicles.

[Moreno]

After having my ESP/BAS, Brake, Malfunction Indicator (the engine light) turn on today I decided to do the dance and these are the codes it spit out:
121
1120
110A
On top of the lights in my cluster, the car doesn't shift out of 1st gear, AC and speedometer don't work, shifting from P to D is rough, and finally autostick doesn't work. I'm not sure where all of this came from since I haven't done anything but change gas types yesterday, but I've driven 50 miles on the take so far with no problem until now. How do I go about fixing the problem knowing the trouble codes? Is it as simple as pulling fuses?


Edit: I own an 06 Charger R/T with about 43k miles.

[fnkychkn]

After having my ESP/BAS, Brake, Malfunction Indicator (the engine light) turn on today I decided to do the dance and these are the codes it spit out:
121
1120
110A
On top of the lights in my cluster, the car doesn't shift out of 1st gear, AC and speedometer don't work, shifting from P to D is rough, and finally autostick doesn't work. I'm not sure where all of this came from since I haven't done anything but change gas types yesterday, but I've driven 50 miles on the take so far with no problem until now. How do I go about fixing the problem knowing the trouble codes? Is it as simple as pulling fuses?


Edit: I own an 06 Charger R/T with about 43k miles.
U0121-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH ANTI-LOCK BRAKE MODULE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Anti-Lock Brake Module for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes

CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION <<< most likely cause
NO POWER TO ANTI-LOCK BRAKE MODULE — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U1120-LOST WHEEL DISTANCE MESSAGE

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM either doesn't receive a bus message or receives an implausible bus message from the Anti-Lock Brake Module.Possible Causes

CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION <<< most likely cause
NO POWER TO ANTI-LOCK BRAKE MODULE — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)





U110A-LOST COMMUNICATION WITH SCM - CAN-C

When Monitored: With the ignition on, battery voltage between 9 and 16 volts, and engine run time greater than 3 seconds.
Set Condition: The PCM doesn't receive a bus message from the Steering Control Module (SCM) for a specific amount of time.Possible Causes

CAN C BUS OPEN OR SHORTED CONDITION <<< most likely cause
NO POWER TO STEERING CONTROL MODULE (SCM) — MODULE UNPLUGGED OR OPEN FUSE
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)


if you had a starscan/starmobile, i bet you'd be seeing a CAN-C bus shorted DTC in at least one of the other modules.
i've had a few with these codes and had to repair a chaffed TCM wiring harness at the park brake mechanism. check there first. good luck.

[Moreno]

whoa that sounds bad. I'm assuming TCM is the Transmission Control Module. I'm going to pop the hood now and look for it. Any guidance as to where it's at? i'm a total newb when it comes to anything beyond regular maintenance things.

[fnkychkn]

whoa that sounds bad. I'm assuming TCM is the Transmission Control Module. I'm going to pop the hood now and look for it. Any guidance as to where it's at? i'm a total newb when it comes to anything beyond regular maintenance things.
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=48733

[Moreno]

i've gotten to my TCM and the harnesses look fine. On the ones you worked on, how did they become chafed? Were they rubbing against anything?

[Moreno]

There's so many wires under there I can't tell which one leads to the parking brake. I think I'm going to have to take it to the dealer :(......Will I be doing any harm if I drive it to the dealer? It's a good 10-15 mile drive to the dealer.

[fnkychkn]

i've gotten to my TCM and the harnesses look fine. On the ones you worked on, how did they become chafed? Were they rubbing against anything? it gets chaffed by the sharp edges of the park brake mechanism.
There's so many wires under there I can't tell which one leads to the parking brake. I think I'm going to have to take it to the dealer :(......Will I be doing any harm if I drive it to the dealer? It's a good 10-15 mile drive to the dealer.should be ok to drive. just go easy.

[Moreno]

Well, I've since dealt with my problem but it wasnt pretty. When the dealer connected the Starscan, alot more codes were spitting out then the ones shown doing the key dance. After a long day at the dealer, it was determined that my ABS module went out. Here's what happened according to the dealer:

I have a Clifford G5 with remote start installed on my car. I've had it since November 06, a few months after buying my car. When the dealer dropped the kick panel, they pulled out alot of cables, some belonging to the alarm system. Many cables had been tapped into, but not soldered together. The alarm shop just twisted the wires together and wrapped electric tape around them. For this reason, the dealer told me it fried my ABS module. I thought it was highly suspect that all of a sudden this would be the source of my problem since I've had the alarm for so long, but being in the position I was, I had no choice but to accept their explanation. They soldered all the wires, replaced my ABS module, and reprogrammed my wireless control module for a grand total of $854.98. I was "lucky" to have received a 10% off repairs coupon in the mail the day I went to pick up the car. Anyhow, I've sinced gotten over the whole thing and am still at odds as to whether my alarm was the source. below is the writeup from my invoice along with part numbers and fees for those who may run into the same situation:

0900 WIRING REPAIR AND ABS MODULE AN PROGRAMMING 9497 C $518.00
10 4778570 SLEEVE-HEAT SHRINK $47.60
1 5175609AE MODULE-ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SY $249.90
43199 ABS INOP USED STAR SCAN TO READ CODE IN PCM, FOUND CODE UO121 LOST COM W/ ABS MODULE ACTIVE, INSPECTED WIRE BETWEEN L/S KICK PANNEL AND EMERGENCY BRAKE FOR SIGN OF DAMAGE, FOUDN THAT SEVERAL WIRE CONNECTING THE WCM WERE SLICE IN, REPAIR HAD TO DONE TO WIRES BEFORE CONTINUING, TESTED MAIN POWER, AND GROUND TO ABS SYSTEM. ABS IS RECEIVING POWER AND IS PROPERLY GROUNDED. ABS IS NOT COMMUNICATING WITH STAR SCAN, REPLACED ABS, CLEARED CODES AND INIT ABS SYSTEM. VEHICLE IS OPERATING WITH IN FACTORY STANDARD.

Thanks to everyone on here who gave their input and gave me some guidance. I learned a bit more about my vehicle thanks to you guys.

[fnkychkn]

Well, I've since dealt with my problem but it wasnt pretty. When the dealer connected the Starscan, alot more codes were spitting out then the ones shown doing the key dance. After a long day at the dealer, it was determined that my ABS module went out. Here's what happened according to the dealer:

I have a Clifford G5 with remote start installed on my car. I've had it since November 06, a few months after buying my car. When the dealer dropped the kick panel, they pulled out alot of cables, some belonging to the alarm system. Many cables had been tapped into, but not soldered together. The alarm shop just twisted the wires together and wrapped electric tape around them. For this reason, the dealer told me it fried my ABS module. I thought it was highly suspect that all of a sudden this would be the source of my problem since I've had the alarm for so long, but being in the position I was, I had no choice but to accept their explanation. They soldered all the wires, replaced my ABS module, and reprogrammed my wireless control module for a grand total of $854.98. I was "lucky" to have received a 10% off repairs coupon in the mail the day I went to pick up the car. Anyhow, I've sinced gotten over the whole thing and am still at odds as to whether my alarm was the source. below is the writeup from my invoice along with part numbers and fees for those who may run into the same situation:

0900 WIRING REPAIR AND ABS MODULE AN PROGRAMMING 9497 C $518.00
10 4778570 SLEEVE-HEAT SHRINK $47.60
1 5175609AE MODULE-ANTI-LOCK BRAKE SY $249.90
43199 ABS INOP USED STAR SCAN TO READ CODE IN PCM, FOUND CODE UO121 LOST COM W/ ABS MODULE ACTIVE, INSPECTED WIRE BETWEEN L/S KICK PANNEL AND EMERGENCY BRAKE FOR SIGN OF DAMAGE, FOUDN THAT SEVERAL WIRE CONNECTING THE WCM WERE SLICE IN, REPAIR HAD TO DONE TO WIRES BEFORE CONTINUING, TESTED MAIN POWER, AND GROUND TO ABS SYSTEM. ABS IS RECEIVING POWER AND IS PROPERLY GROUNDED. ABS IS NOT COMMUNICATING WITH STAR SCAN, REPLACED ABS, CLEARED CODES AND INIT ABS SYSTEM. VEHICLE IS OPERATING WITH IN FACTORY STANDARD.

Thanks to everyone on here who gave their input and gave me some guidance. I learned a bit more about my vehicle thanks to you guys.wow. didn't see that one coming. without knowing exactly which wires were spliced into, it's kinda hard to say for sure but i find it unlikely that it would have caused the ABS module to self destruct like that.

[cam79]

Could I get some help please.. The code on display shows "0128" no U or P
what does it mean, using both U or P, they are showing different failures..
(06MagnumSXT 3,5)
thanks

[Randys06]

I got it to work. I had P 0128. Need to look it up. Pulled fuse 11 for 30 secs. It's gone for now.

I am getting the same code P0128. I did a search and I get this as the fault,

P0128GenericCoolant Thermostat (Coolant Temp Below Thermostat Regulating Temperature)

Is this correct for my 2006 Dodge Charger R/T?

[fnkychkn]

Could I get some help please.. The code on display shows "0128" no U or P
what does it mean, using both U or P, they are showing different failures..
(06MagnumSXT 3,5)
thanks

I am getting the same code P0128. I did a search and I get this as the fault,

P0128GenericCoolant Thermostat (Coolant Temp Below Thermostat Regulating Temperature)

Is this correct for my 2006 Dodge Charger R/T?
replace your thermostats.

[ItalianBostonian]

I am getting the code P0573, does any one know what this means and why I am getting it?

[fnkychkn]

I am getting the code P0573, does any one know what this means and why I am getting it?
possible candidate for TSB 18-035-06 (http://www.wkjeeps.com/misc/LX/TSB/TSB_1803506.pdf)

[ItalianBostonian]

So I have been driving the car around for a few days and tonight the engine light went off and the cruise control works again.
I did the "key dance" and the code is still there. Should I still take the car into the dealer, or is it all set?

[fnkychkn]

So I have been driving the car around for a few days and tonight the engine light went off and the cruise control works again.
I did the "key dance" and the code is still there. Should I still take the car into the dealer, or is it all set?
it's definitely not "all set". PCM programming has been updated to prevent this from reoccurring.

[ItalianBostonian]

Ok, so this will happen again then, but I am good to go for now, but will happen again unless the PCM is updated?

[fnkychkn]

Ok, so this will happen again then, but I am good to go for now, but will happen again unless the PCM is updated?may or may not happen again depending on wether or not the same circumstances occur which caused it to happen the first time but the possibility is there.

[ItalianBostonian]

So I took the car to a dealer to have the oil changed and I mentioned the code and what happened.
The tech didnt even know that there was a TSB on the problem, I had to pull this thread up on my iPhone and show him the TSB.
After he saw the TSB he flashed it with the starscan.
He was going to update the software for my car, but hes like if I do that it may screw up the way the car shifts and stuff? Anyone know what is up with that? I told him to leave it the way it is. He had a wicked bad attitude too when I questioned him and corrected him on the TSB too.
Gutta love the dealerships!!

[Hankster]

Does anyone know how to do the 'key dance' on the new bluetooth (push button type) models? Also which fuse (on the later models) resets the CEL light?

[fnkychkn]

Does anyone know how to do the 'key dance' on the new bluetooth (push button type) models? Also which fuse (on the later models) resets the CEL light?
you can remove the keyless go button and try the key dance method to retrieve codes. not sure if it works on '09, never tried it.

from your owner's manual:


Keyless Go
This function allows the driver to operate
the ignition switch with the push
of a button, as long as the ENGINE
START/STOP button is installed and
the Keyless Go ignition key (FOBIK)
can be detected inside of the vehicle.
Removing and Re-Installing the Engine Start/Stop
Button
The ENGINE START/STOP button may be removed
from the receptacle to allow the vehicle ignition to be
controlled conventionally by inserting the FOBIK. The
button may be removed using the valet key from the
FOBIK as a thin tool. Insert the metal part of the valet key
under the chrome bezel at the 6 o’clock position, and
gently pry the button loose.



fuse #2 in TIPM (totally integrated power module/front fuse box) will reset PCM.

[FreebirdSRT]

you can remove the keyless go button and try the key dance method to retrieve codes. not sure if it works on '09, never tried it.

from your owner's manual:


Keyless Go
This function allows the driver to operate
the ignition switch with the push
of a button, as long as the ENGINE
START/STOP button is installed and
the Keyless Go ignition key (FOBIK)
can be detected inside of the vehicle.
Removing and Re-Installing the Engine Start/Stop
Button
The ENGINE START/STOP button may be removed
from the receptacle to allow the vehicle ignition to be
controlled conventionally by inserting the FOBIK. The
button may be removed using the valet key from the
FOBIK as a thin tool. Insert the metal part of the valet key
under the chrome bezel at the 6 o’clock position, and
gently pry the button loose.




fuse #2 in TIPM (totally integrated power module/front fuse box) will reset PCM.


You can read the codes on the 09's FC. We just checked a CEL on my buddies 09 Chally RT and we removed the push button start and then used the key fob and check the CEL code like we can on our 05-08's.

[fnkychkn]

You can read the codes on the 09's FC. We just checked a CEL on my buddies 09 Chally RT and we removed the push button start and then used the key fob and check the CEL code like we can on our 05-08's.
thanks Freebird. good to know.

[PeSkE]

Need help im getting a 0430 code with no P-U.
Thanks

[PlumCrazyDaytona]

Need help im getting a 0430 code with no P-U.
Thanks

Your right side cat is not performing up to specs. Clear it and see if it comes back

[fnkychkn]

Need help im getting a 0430 code with no P-U.
Thanks
i'll start by asking that you please update your vehicle profile in User CP. then, i'll guess that you have an '06 5.7L to base this advice. (will modify later if need be)


P0430-CATALYST EFFICIENCY (BANK 2/right bank)
Theory of Operation

The catalyst monitor uses the signals from both the upstream and downstream O2 sensors to detect aging of the catalyst. As a catalyst ages, it loses some of its oxygen storing capacity. As a result, part of the untreated exhaust gases can break through the catalyst and causes the downstream O2 sensor to deviate from its neutral (Stoichiometric) position. By observing the downstream O2 signal, the degradation level of catalyst can be detected. In general, the higher the downstream O2 sensor state of change value, the more exhaust gas breakthrough and the lower the oxygen storage capacity of the catalytic converter.



When Monitored: ECT above 70° C (158° F), engine RPM between 1400 and 2300, and vehicle speed between 48 and 60 kph (30 and 60 mph).
Set Condition: If the final state of change index is within the calibrated fail threshold. Two trip fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.
Possible Causes

EXHAUST SYSTEM LEAK
ENGINE MECHANICAL CONDITION
AGING OR CONTAMINATED O2 SENSOR
CATALYTIC CONVERTER



high flow cats seem to be a popular cause... so are leaky headers.
a new (quick switching) downstream O2 sensor combined with an aging (lazy, slow switching) upstream O2 sensor can also cause this DTC.

[FreebirdSRT]

I got a code today on my Charger that I do not see on DMAG's OBD thread.

It is code P0456.

I saw the code P0455 and P0460 but no P0456.

Anybody know what the P0456 code is?

[fnkychkn]

I got a code today on my Charger that I do not see on DMAG's OBD thread.

It is code P0456.

I saw the code P0455 and P0460 but no P0456.

Anybody know what the P0456 code is?
in 2007, they changed the way the PCM monitors the EVAP system. they now use an ESIM (evaporative system integrity monitor) switch instead of a NVLD (natural vacuum leak detector). does pretty much the same thing, just using different hardware and software.






P0456-EVAP SYSTEM SMALL LEAK

When Monitored: With the ignition off, fuel level less than 88%, ambient temperature between 4° C and 43° C (39° F and 109° F).
Set Condition: As temperatures change, a vacuum is created in the fuel tank and Evap system. With the Evap system sealed, the PCM monitors the ESIM switch. If the ESIM switch does not close within a calibrated time, an error is detected by the PCM. One Trip Fault. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.
Possible Causes

EVAP PURGE SOLENOID VACUUM SUPPLY
EVAP PURGE HOSE/TUBE OBSTRUCTION
EVAP SYSTEM LEAK



also found this in online database:

Case Number: K51153649
Vehicle Issue: MIL on P0456 EVAP small leak detected.
Year: 2007
Model: LX - 300
Engine: 2.7L V6 24V FFV | 2.7L V-6 DOHC 24V (MPI) | 3.5L HIGH OUTPUT V6 24V N-S (MPI) | 5.7L HEMI V8 GAS (SMPI) | 6.1L SRT HEMI (SMPI) V8
Recommendation: Always check TechCONNECT for any related TSBs and to diagnose any active or stored DTCs. Check the system for leaks using the EELD Smoke machine set to air test to verify there is a leak in the system. If there is a leak in the system after verification using the EELD machine check the hose connection under the vehicles passenger side where the hoses run against the pinch weld, rocker panel. If the hose connection is not seated re-seat then re-test for any leaks. If the system still has leaks diagnose them as needed. If a repair has been made recheck the system for leaks before releasing the vehicle to the customer.


get your dealer to find the leak.

good luck

[PeSkE]

Sorry about that. I have an 05 mag does that make a difference? I appreciate your help Thanks

[fnkychkn]

Sorry about that. I have an 05 mag does that make a difference? I appreciate your help Thanks
the year, not so much but the engine does.

[PeSkE]

Thanks again. Its driving me crazy i just droped a new engine (5.7) in and seems like all the small stuff is now going

[jbp-ohio]

I have an '05 Magnum SE 2.7 throwing 0301. No P or U. Is that the cylinder 1 misfire???

[fnkychkn]

I have an '05 Magnum SE 2.7 throwing 0301. No P or U. Is that the cylinder 1 misfire???
P0301-CYLINDER 1 MISFIRE


When Monitored: Any time the engine is running, and the adaptive numerator has been successfully updated.
Set Condition: The threshold to set the fault is application specific; it is tied to the level of misfire that will cause emissions to increase to 1.5 times the standard or in some cases 1%. It is always a two trip fault above the calibrated RPM. It takes 1 soft fail to set a malfunction and two trips to set the MIL. Three good trips to turn off the MIL.
Possible Causes
(K343) ASD RELAY OUTPUT 2 CIRCUIT
(K11) INJECTOR CONTROL NO.1 CIRCUIT
(K19) COIL CONTROL NO.1 CIRCUIT
IGNITION WIRE
SPARK PLUG
IGNITION COIL
FUEL PUMP INLET STRAINER PLUGGED
RESTRICTED FUEL SUPPLY LINE
FUEL PUMP MODULE
FUEL PRESSURE LEAK DOWN
FUEL INJECTOR
ENGINE MECHANICAL PROBLEM
PCM

[jbp-ohio]

thanks!!

Any online manuals out for the LX's. Is there torque spec's and torque sequence for the upper manifold?? Torque plugs???

[fnkychkn]

thanks!!

Any online manuals out for the LX's. Is there torque spec's and torque sequence for the upper manifold?? Torque plugs???
http://lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=24486

[DarrellWD]

We have 4 Charger Police vehicles. On one of the 07 Hemi's the camera was left on. Battery went dead after sitting for 4 days. Jumped it with a jump box. Now there are lights on. (I have not seen the car yet) They said its the ABS (ESP I guess) and the Traction Control lights. The local shop just scratched their heads. They un-hooked the battery for a time period, lights still on.

Any idea what it is or how to fix it without a trip to the dealer?

[fnkychkn]

We have 4 Charger Police vehicles. On one of the 07 Hemi's the camera was left on. Battery went dead after sitting for 4 days. Jumped it with a jump box. Now there are lights on. (I have not seen the car yet) They said its the ABS (ESP I guess) and the Traction Control lights. The local shop just scratched their heads. They un-hooked the battery for a time period, lights still on.

Any idea what it is or how to fix it without a trip to the dealer?
try a SAS (steering angle sensor) recalibration (http://lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=11313).

[fuzzycali]

i see u made it back safe funky:thumbs_u:

[Braddah Jay]

I just hand polished my throttle body on my MSRT today. Installed everything back to normal and started my car. Now my idle is pulsating around 900-1200+ and i have a code (P2110) showing. Did anyone have this happen after doing work to there throttle body?:panic::banghead::doh::sad::wtf:

[fnkychkn]

I just hand polished my throttle body on my MSRT today. Installed everything back to normal and started my car. Now my idle is pulsating around 900-1200+ and i have a code (P2110) showing. Did anyone have this happen after doing work to there throttle body?:panic::banghead::doh::sad::wtf:

P2110-ELECTRONIC THROTTLE CONTROL SYSTEM - FORCED LIMITED RPM

When Monitored: With the ignition on and the ETC Motor not in Limp Home mode.
Set Condition: When the Powertrain Control Module (PCM) detects an error in the ETC Motor Driver or throttle position.
Possible Causes

INTERMITTENT DTC
LOW BATTERY VOLTAGE
(K124) ETC MOTOR (+) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE
(K126) ETC MOTOR (-) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO VOLTAGE
(K124) ETC MOTOR (+) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K126) ETC MOTOR (-) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO GROUND
(K124) ETC MOTOR (+) CIRCUIT SHORTED TO THE (K126) ETC MOTOR (-) CIRCUIT
(K124) ETC MOTOR (+) CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
(K126) ETC MOTOR (-) CIRCUIT OPEN OR HIGH RESISTANCE
THROTTLE BODY
POWERTRAIN CONTROL MODULE (PCM)

assuming the throttle body was removed for this operation,
i'd be inspecting the TB connector closely for pushed out pins.

[Braddah Jay]

The voltage seems to be fine at 13-14 volts, and i checked the TB connector and found no signs of any pushed/pulled out pins. Is there any other things to check for? I used my Predator to clear the codes, but the idle still surges. I just ordered a new throttle body just incase the problem continues. I guess i'll leave this mod to the proffesionals to do since it is one of those sensitive electrical parts.....

[Braddah Jay]

I checked the diagnostics with my Predator and its showing 2 codes now. 1) P0171 - System too lean (Bank 1) , 2) System too lean (Bank 2) What should i do? Is it safe for me to drive my MSRT under these conditions? Any help ASAP will be very appreciated...:panic::sad:

[fnkychkn]

among other things, low fuel pressure will cause fuel system lean faults.

[MoparBrew]

Before I mention my current issue, I must give a great big thanks to fnkychkn for the help, advice and TIME that he gives trying to help others. If you're ever in Brooklyn, NY give a call and I'll buy you a cold one, killer pizza or whatever else you like to consume. OK, I've done my a** kissing now onto my recent problem. This morning while going for breakfast, I went to pass a bus, the car downshifted and like went into neutral. It revved, but wouldn't move. I coasted a distance, put it in neutral and back into drive then it "caught" and drove normal. The MIL light came on during this escapade. I've read this thread, did the "key dance" and no trouble codes came up. I pulled #11 fuse for a minute, but MIL light is still on, but not blinking. Any thoughts?..........Ralph from Brooklyn

[fnkychkn]

you'll need a scanner to retrieve the fault codes (probably TCM fault). do you have access to a starscan/starmobile? if not, how about a DiabloSport Predator or SuperChips tuner? if not you can always go to Autozone or similar autoparts store where they can scan it for you (usually free).

[MoparBrew]

I've ran a few errands, parked it overnight, this morning the MIL light is out. The car was operating fine right after the "neutral" episode. I tested it this morning with ESP on and off, Autosticking it and not, and everything is operating as designed. I'm hoping it was just a hiccup and won't happen again...is that a possibility?....Ralph from Brooklyn

[fnkychkn]

I've ran a few errands, parked it overnight, this morning the MIL light is out. The car was operating fine right after the "neutral" episode. I tested it this morning with ESP on and off, Autosticking it and not, and everything is operating as designed. I'm hoping it was just a hiccup and won't happen again...is that a possibility?....Ralph from Brooklyn
anything's possible...but i wouldn't count on it.

[BDA1855]

Help... for some reason i have a CEL and no codes? i have been getting a thermostat code on and off for a few weeks (i have a 176 thermostat and when its cold i have to be really careful to let it warm up or it goes off). Today at lunch i checked the codes again, and it was the same thing, turned the code off and the light is still on....
GRRRR car is running just fine... trans shifts fine and everything...

Should i pull the diablo off the car and pull fuse 11? Im going to scan the car again with the diablo and see if i get any codes after work... if i dont im at a loss for what to do...

[fnkychkn]

for some reason, the predator cannot read all DTCs. try pulling fuse 11 for 15 seconds. if that doesn't clear it. you'll need to put your stock tune back in and recheck.

[BDA1855]

for some reason, the predator cannot read all DTCs. try pulling fuse 11 for 15 seconds. if that doesn't clear it. you'll need to put your stock tune back in and recheck.

Pulled 11 and the code went bye bye... thanks for your help!!!

[FLYSRT8]

I was driving home-sitting still at a red light, and the BAS ESP light came on. The code says....P0703..... Brake Switch Circuit Malfunction...? I turned the car of then on and it went away, Is this something 2 worry about???

[Jigsaw]

I read through a few pages but got lost looking for any information on the 06 Magnum Srt onboard diagnostic test, will this method of the key to on and acc work on the SRT? I tried the reset button it didn't do anything and the key turning displayed the software then done. I know it had a lost communication with the pcm code but it was an unknown, it has many electrical issues and what bothers me is my ac isn't cold but blows hot (fully charged) and my lights to my heated seat stopped working, along with the eps and rear wiper switch lights and the rear windshield wiper stopped working, which all worked until it was it was scanned with the starscanner at the dealer to find out why the steering controls don't work (could it be coincidence??, even replaced the clockspring, didn't work. Other issues it has is the airbag light is on, and the windshield washer fluid front and back doesn't work and the front driver blinker will not blink. But it is displaying no codes and the mechanic is scratching his head on where to start and I'm worried if something is wrong with the car it will not be able to set off a warning. Any help is much appreciated.
On a side note: It was involved in a severe font end collision and was repaired back to factory condition besides the new electrical problems. Maybe something else we can't see was damaged, it went under the back of an F150 at 35 + mph. This one,
lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=171913&highlight=pick+part

[fnkychkn]

I was driving home-sitting still at a red light, and the BAS ESP light came on. The code says....P0703..... Brake Switch Circuit Malfunction...? I turned the car of then on and it went away, Is this something 2 worry about???
for some unknown reason, this seems to happen when sitting in drive with brakes applied for an extended period of time. doesn't seem to be any after effects once restarted.

[fnkychkn]

I read through a few pages but got lost looking for any information on the 06 Magnum Srt onboard diagnostic test, will this method of the key to on and acc work on the SRT? I tried the reset button it didn't do anything and the key turning displayed the software then done. I know it had a lost communication with the pcm code but it was an unknown, it has many electrical issues and what bothers me is my ac isn't cold but blows hot (fully charged) and my lights to my heated seat stopped working, along with the eps and rear wiper switch lights and the rear windshield wiper stopped working, which all worked until it was it was scanned with the starscanner at the dealer to find out why the steering controls don't work (could it be coincidence??, even replaced the clockspring, didn't work. Other issues it has is the airbag light is on, and the windshield washer fluid front and back doesn't work and the front driver blinker will not blink. But it is displaying no codes and the mechanic is scratching his head on where to start and I'm worried if something is wrong with the car it will not be able to set off a warning. Any help is much appreciated.
On a side note: It was involved in a severe font end collision and was repaired back to factory condition besides the new electrical problems. Maybe something else we can't see was damaged, it went under the back of an F150 at 35 + mph. This one,
lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=171913&highlight=pick+part
has it ever worked right since the accident? possible bus communication issue. possible groundind issue.

[Jigsaw]

I bought it wrecked. The only thing that didn't work were the steering controls, then the air got hot after being hooked to a scanner, then everything else failed after the clock spring was replaced. I do smell wires burning once and a while and today when I tried the air conditioning it smelled like plastic burning.