Antiseize on hubs?

[vinny68]

I'm going to install some new wheels this weekend and TireRack recommends putting some antiseize on the hubs prior to " help prevent rust and permit easier removal when it’s time to rotate your tires."

I've never heard that advice before. Does everyone do that?

[Junior]

Nope.


Well I don't, so not everybody does! :mrgreen:

Never heard of putting anything on the hubs. If anything, that would increase the likelihood of dirt and grit collecting and preventing a good, flat, clean mating surface... I wonder what they meant?

[DannyC]

I hope they aren't talking about the studs. When I was about 15 I put some oil on my brothers 59 GMC pickup lugs cus I could barely break the the were so rusted. He gave me hell and told me don't never put oil on lugs as this may cause them to come lose. So needless to say I've never done it again and that was 39years ago :)

[FloridaRT]

I think he means the mounting surface between the wheel hub and the backside of the wheel.................... not the wheel studs.

Bob

[MattRobertson]

interesting idea. I have to pull my wheels a lot since I do track days, and the rears always need to be loosened with a few judicious whacks on the tire with a 3 lb sledge.

[vinny68]

They were very specific about NOT applying antiseize to the studs.

"Do not apply "antiseize" to the lug hardware or studs"

[honu]

I had a 04 Ram w/ the 20 inch wheels. Couldn't get the wheels off. Took it to the dealer, they virtually destroyed the right rear. Had to replace it

Advised me that galvanic corrosion between the iron hubs and aluminum rims "welded' them together. Ther put anti-sieze on the mating surfaces to prevent further problems... worked just fine.

[bibs]

I have always done this on my cars. It works well, especially after changing the snow tires in the spring. As mentioned before, only on the mating surfaces. Not on the studs.
I usually apply the paste to the back of the wheel around the lug holes. It also helps stop the corrosion starting on aluminum wheels, for those that run their rims on the salty winter weather.

[Mymopar]

I've heard of this and recommend doing it fo rthe reasons posted above, dissamilar metals corroding together.

[Steveo777]

i did it to my buddys M5 BMW after i spent a half hour mule kicking the tire.. then i spent another half hour on why i put anti seize on there.. duh i swear the more expensive the car the less common sense..

[carchitect]

here's a thread...

http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=79944

It certainly can't hurt and should prohibit corrosion down the road.

I have to rotate my tires soon, either this weekend or the next. I'll take and take some photos for those of you who don't exactly understand what he means.

[Junior]

Wow - at first I thought Matt was joking - I guess not! Never seen anything even approaching a stuck wheel in the way you guys are talking - but I guess it happens, eh?

[honu]

How it was explained to me was that due to the hub centric mounting, the wheel does not "move" at all. The lack of any flex or movement doesn't allow the corrosion to be "broken up..." Does that make sense or is it all in my mind?

[MattRobertson]

Wow - at first I thought Matt was joking - I guess not!Nope. Sure wish I was. I literally carry that little sledgehammer along with me - along with my torque wrench - wherever I go. It happens to the fronts sometimes too, but its guaranteed to happen on the rears, and quick. I'm surprised its not something everyone sees happen, but I guess not everyone is pulling their wheels off all the time.
:blam:

EDIT: oh and I am buying some hi temp antiseize today and will smear it on the inside of the wheel facing the hub tomorrow at the track.

[carchitect]

They were very specific about NOT applying antiseize to the studs.

"Do not apply "antiseize" to the lug hardware or studs"

I've heard about this several times... but never really heard a solid answer as to why.

What I have heard is that the antisieze acts as a lubricant when you are torquing the lugs you actually torquing them more than the published specs from what I understand are measured for "dry" or non-antisiezed lugs/studs.

Can someone shed some light on this?

[F1fan]

Yep I've done it for years.
Its a great trick for cars subjected to winter road sand/salt.
It really helps to loosen the wheels grip on the of the hub.

And no I've never had it collect grime or cause any issues.

[Magnum P.I]

Yep I've done it for years.
Its a great trick for cars subjected to winter road sand/salt.
It really helps to loosen the wheels grip on the of the hub.

And no I've never had it collect grime or cause any issues.


That makes sense as i had to take a mallet to beat my wheels off the hub the other day while doing my tire rotation and brakes inspection in my driveway.It felt like they were never removed since the car was built at the factory. I will be doing that as soon as the weather dries up,raining right now...

[Junior]

I'm surprised its not something everyone sees happen, but I guess not everyone is pulling their wheels off all the time.
:blam:
Me too... I pull mine fairly regularly (couple times a month on average, for various tinkerings), and I've never seen it - I wonder if maybe that's why I don't see it - if I left them on longer they'd stick? You pull yours often too, though, so I dunno.

What I have heard is that the antisieze acts as a lubricant when you are torquing the lugs you actually torquing them more than the published specs from what I understand are measured for "dry" or non-antisiezed lugs/studs.

Can someone shed some light on this?
A little bit - I can confirm you're correct. If they're lubricated, you have to twist the metal a LOT further to reach the same 110lb/ft of torque. You engage more threads than you would if they were dry. It blows the whole calculated range of metal elasticity out of whack. The lugs should be clean, but dry.

[HOBIEHUNTER]

A little anti sieze helps keep the brake drums from rusting solid to the flange on drum brake equipped cars.

[Hemi31]

With aluminum wheels I always put anti seize on the hubs and the wheel hub.

[Flanman]

I always use anti-seize on the hub and rotor where the surface of the wheel touches. I also clean the surface with a wire brush to remove any corrosion/scale that would prevent the wheel from seating flat on the rotor.

[Timmy C]

I started using anti sieze after I spent about an hour helping my brother remove a tire from his wifes old grand am. Finally had to air the tire up and loosen the lugs a little and drive it around the block to get it loose.

[wantit]

I have always used never sieze on the hub mating surface, and a light coat on all the studs of ALL my vehicles. never had the wheel stuck to the hub, or a broken stud from the lugnut being frozen to it. and never had any lugs come loose. just removed the wheels on the wifes hyundai for the first time to inspect the brakes, and broke 2 studs. all now are coated with never sieze!

[Big D]

I also put anti seize on the hubs, wheel hub, and the wheel studs.

[demonglory]

I also put anti seize on the hubs, wheel hub, and the wheel studs.

In my 20 years of being involved in the automotive repair industry...I have always cleaned the mating surfaces and applied a very light coating of never-seize...

I also use a very tiny amount on wheel studs...Never have had an issue with any inaccurate torque values...I guess if you slathered on wheel studs, then sure.