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Hemi31
04-28-2008, 10:07 AM
I don't have any pics yet, but as soon as the next install comes in I will get them.

Tools Needed:

Strong 3/8" Ratchet and breaker bar
21mm short socket
18mm short socket
15 mm deep socket
13mm deep socket
1 1/4" socket and 1/2" ratchet for axle nut
18" 3/8 drive extension
3/8 drive swivel
12 point 3/8" socket,3/8 drive
5/16" allen key or socket
18mm box wrench
T-60 Torx socket
large flat blade screwdriver or small prybar.
small flat blade screwdriver
small hammer
small piece of soft pine.
4 Jack stands and a good Jack......2-3 ton is preferable.


OK.......take a deep breath cause it's not as scary as it looks....a second set of hands is helpful....but not imperative.

Start by getting the car in the air.I like to put the first two jack stands in the rear pockets on the rocker panels.Get it up as high as possible.
Next the exhaust needs to come off(in one piece).Loosen the forward clamps,remove the center brace,use a little wd-40 on the center rubbers and pry them off the exhaust hooks,then remove the four 13mm bolts holding the rear hangers while someone holds the tips up.If your by your self you can let them down.....just put some cardboard under the tips and polished parts.
Now wiggle the exhaust back and forth till it slides off the cat pipes and pull it out from under the car and out of the way.

Ok.......get the rear wheels off.Set the E-Brake.Using the 1 1/4 socket remove the axle nuts.
Now jack up the control arms slowly so they are horizontal to the ground and stick the jackstands under them.....this needs to be done to make room for the axles to swing.

Put the transmission in neutral so you can turn the driveshaft.Release E-brake.

So now that your completely committed(or should be)......grab the T-60 Torx and the 18mm box wrench and take out the four driveshaft bolts on the differential side of the yolk(silver ones).....you will need to pry the driveshaft back from the pinion.Move the shaft out of the way.
Place the jack under the differential and bring the pad up so it just makes contact.
Using the 5/16 allen socket remove the allen bolt from the front of the differential.
Now get the 21mm ratchet and the breaker bar.The two remaining bolts are in the cradle right in front of the spare tire well......there is only enough room to barely get the ratchet in.You need to take 3-4 pulls and switch sides......work it back and forth like this walking the diferential forward till both bolts are out(this is the biggest PITA both removal and replacement).
Once the differential is free you want to lower the jack slowly,The differential will want to go forward as it goes down so walk the jack with it.Stop the jack about halfway down.You should now be ready to use the prybar to pop the axle out of the differential.You only need to move it about a half inch with the prybar.pry on the axle flange not the seal flange.Do the drivers side first.Once the axle is sliding freely you need to wiggle the differential around till you can move the axle out far enough to angle completely out of the differential,then slide it out of the hub.Now you can do the passanger side easily.
Lower the differential to the floor.


If you are installing heavy duty halfshafts see note 1.
Now......if your doing DSS halfshafts and need to change the tone rings see note 2.

Installation:Check differential seals,replace if necessary.
EDIT:This is important and I just ran into it.Get a micrometer or dial caliper and check the dimensions of the old axle to the new axle.I ran into an issue with the machining being off a couple of thousandths on a set of 5.7 HD axles.It wasn't much but it kept them from going in the differential.


(Read this if doing 5.7/6.1 swap:You must grind down the side of the emergency brake cable braket flush with the ridge on the knuckle or the CV loint won't clear.)
Slide halfshafts into the hubs(Oil or anti-sieze the splines) and install and tighten axle nuts.(157 LbFt)Remember,left side is short.


Raise the differential to the removal height.Oil the Splines and slide the passanger side axle into the differential and seat it.Carefully work the drivers side axle in(watch the seal) and raise the jack till axle is all the way in.Make sure it's seated.

Raise the differential back into position and carefully get the 21mm bolts started(I use antiseze here).Make sure you don't cross thread these.....if your unsure STOP!!

Tighten the 21mm bolts(162 lbft) and then replace the allen bolt(48lbft)
Next reinstall the driveshaft and tighten bolts(43lbft)
remove the jackstands under the control arms.
Slide the exhaust back under the car.Hold the front of the system up and put the brace back on......this will help if your alone.I will use a strap and tie the rear of the exhaust up so I can get it back on the cat pips......once in place put the center rubbers back on the pipes,remove strap,then install the 4 rear mounts,and finally retighten the forward clamps.
Put your wheels back on and let the car down.



Note 1:
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Replacing the hubs for heavy duty halfshafts:
Make sure you have the studs pressed into the hubs before installation on car.

While the axles are out of the car using an 18mm socket remove the caliper and hang out of the way with wire.Remove the rotor.Using the 18" extension,12point 3/8" socket and swivel remove the four bolts holding the hub on from the backside of the knuckle.......remove stock hub and replace with heavy duty hub.Reinstall bolts and torque to 50 lbft.
Reinstall rotor and caliper.(70lbft)

Note 2:
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If installing DSS halfshafts you will need to transfer the tone rings from your stock halfshafts.

This is not difficult but you need to be very careful as replacement Tone rings are not available and you will be buying another axle to get one!

Do this one shaft at a time and do not mix up sides.The driver side shaft is the shorter of the two.

Make a note of where the ring seats on the old shaft.....notice there is a small gap.....make sure you match that on the new shaft.....if it's off you'll get codes.

Using a small flat blade screwdriver pry gently on the ring working slowly around a little at a time till it pops off......be very careful not to damage the magnetic material....Or you will get codes.

Place it on the new shaft and work it on with your fingers slowly till you can't get it any further.From there I use a small hammer and a piece of very soft pine and tap it evenly around the ring till it is seated.......again....be very careful not to damage the ring......or you will get codes.


Note 3:If installing 6.1 rear into 5.7 then you will need to swap the rear of the driveshaft......which is as simple as sliding the old off and the new 6.1 on.Line up the spline ans it goes right on.

Note 4:Check the axle splines and sleeves with a micrometer or dial caliper to make sure they are the same size.

Good Luck and hope this helps.

Jaak
05-17-2008, 10:55 PM
Yes, Erik, it helps a lot and Token, Hemiwagn and I used it as a guide today, thanks!

Nuts on the upgraded axles I have are a different size than the stock ones, so I'll need to pick up what appears to be a 36 mm socket to torque them.

Brake caliper torque spec for the SRT8 is 96 ft-lbs according to the 06 LX service manual.

I don't have a press, so I pulled the studs in by tightening the nuts through a wheel. Lube them well before doing this and walk go around all five in steps to pull them as straight as possible.

Diff oil according to the service manual is Mopar Synthetic Gear & Axle Lubricant 75W- 140. You won't spill any. But have some handy for what you do spill. ;-)

The 21 mm bolts, if you have two 21 mm sockets and ratchets, just leave them on when you pull the diff, it's easier to switch back and forth, or if you have help, you can both loosen and tighten at the same time.

The allen bolt on the front of the diff, may have the part with the nut in it, spin. If you can't get the weight of the diff to pull down enough to stop it from spinning, you can pry down on the diff with the 21mm's loose to put enough pressure on it.

Erik, your guide is fantastic and we referenced it many times.

Again, thanks!

Definately Beans....

Jaak
05-17-2008, 10:57 PM
Oh, and we screwed up and didn't take pictures either, except for Hemiwagn at the very end... Oops.

The Corsa exhaust was a bit easier, we disconnected each pipe just in front of the diff, so the cross brace and muffler didn't have to be moved.

Diff seals are cheap, just do them. It's easy.

We did the DSS half shafts, so we did it all...

razman131
05-18-2008, 02:35 AM
the Aug 08 MOPAR Action (09 Chally on cover) has a pretty indepth article about swapping out the rear axels on a MSRT8 using new parts from The Driveshaft Shop (DSS).

wonder if it was yall they profiled in that article???

STAGE 3 R/T
05-18-2008, 03:06 AM
Dayum great right up Erik!!!

fnkychkn
05-18-2008, 09:19 AM
great write up, Erik.
i'd like to add that you should chock the front wheels before lifting the rear off the ground.

Jaak
05-19-2008, 07:51 AM
I emailed the Drive Shaft Shop on the axle nut torque spec. Damn, I need another torque wrench! I also asked about the dust cover over the seal, since theirs doesn't have one.

Hi
the nut should be torque 250lbs, as for the tin shield please leave it off as they come loose and rattle under the car.

Jaak
05-19-2008, 04:42 PM
Since I don't have a torque wrench for 250 ft/lbs ( and I truly wonder if that's necessary ) think the stock torque spec of 157 ft/lbs is fine?

Jaak
05-19-2008, 06:59 PM
Since I don't have a torque wrench for 250 ft/lbs ( and I truly wonder if that's necessary ) think the stock torque spec of 157 ft/lbs is fine?

Tried it. ROTFLMFAO!!!! Not a chance. Took it up higher with breaker bar. You can definately feel when it's stopped tightening and 157 isn't it.

Used the old calibrated hand, but kept it shy of 250 by a bit, I'm sure.

Hemi31
05-19-2008, 07:03 PM
Jaak I put them on with a 300lb ft Impact gun.

Jaak
05-19-2008, 08:02 PM
I believe it. They need it. Thanks Erik!

Cam
05-19-2008, 08:17 PM
Great write-up E.

Hey Jack and who ever else: If you take a 21mm 1/2" drive shallow socket and cut or grind it down to the point that the depth of the socket is equal to the thickness of the head of the bolt. It works like a champ and you can get it in and out. Also, I purchased a 14mm X 1.5mm tap for running the threads in the housing. Makes it ten times easier to install the bolts.

madmanadam
02-23-2009, 02:39 PM
Hats off to the ones that change these at the track or by themselves. Thanks for the write up!:not_worth
http://www.chargerforums.com/gallery/watermark.php?file=9742&size=1

Is my tone ring broke?
This how it came out.
Is it best to do one side at a time?
This has not been one of fun mods but a pain for me.
Has anyone done this on a lift?

Hemi31
02-23-2009, 02:56 PM
Tone ring looks fine.When you reinstall them put the pass side axle in first then the drivers.

madmanadam
02-23-2009, 03:07 PM
first off thanks,
Could you tell me if the tone ring came in two pieces? or is the thin ring the ring?

torRed #1169
02-23-2009, 05:57 PM
That thin ring just hanging there is NOT the tone ring.

Tone ring is behind it still on the shaft.
1/2 inch wide in the picture.
It has little notches on it.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x232/chrisjnc/feb09_040.jpg

Hemi31
02-23-2009, 06:03 PM
^^^^^^ the tone ring is the ring that feels like a refrigerator magnet.

madmanadam
02-24-2009, 01:14 PM
Thanks, still trying to get the little buggers off. Boy will I be glad when I'm done. not the funnest mod.

madmanadam
02-25-2009, 07:52 AM
I got the rings off, but I have a question on what to do with the thin washer thing that will not fit over the new shaft. Do I need this?
Thanks

Hemi31
02-26-2009, 12:58 PM
I got the rings off, but I have a question on what to do with the thin washer thing that will not fit over the new shaft. Do I need this?
Thanks
The thin washer does not get used with the 1000hp axles.

PaCharger
02-28-2009, 03:36 PM
So for my 3rd install, i decided to pick up a $6 3/8 gearless drive ratchet - THAT was the right tool for the two bolts back on the frame. Holy smokes it was just sooo much easier - really didnt even have to go back and forth between the bolts btw.

Great right up Erik - never saw it till I came home to double check some tq specs....by now I should have this memorized! Oh well, time to out and enjoy the new toys for a drive :)

madmanadam
03-02-2009, 08:01 AM
All done, went pretty well. removing was a issue, had a battle with the bottom side of the trunk. Them little tabs that point down and the bolts from my bottle had a issue with my head being there, I now have 2 staples in my head and blood on the floor.

Great write up Erik and thanks for the reply's.

Adam:beerchug::modding:

rodneyiii
04-05-2009, 09:44 PM
Yep, I finally got my rear end changed out to an SRT diff and axles. I got the setup from 03HDFB who has an '08 Challenger. It took me and a friend about 6 hrs in my garage to do the swap. We took our time and he had to keep an eye on his 2 year old while we worked.

Rather than using jack stands, I put all 4 wheels up on ramps so the suspension would stay compressed. I just popped the center cap out of the rear wheels and removed the axle nut to get the axles out. I used this write-up to guide me through the swap. The whole thread had great info about the tools needed (socket sizes, types, torques, etc.) to do the job.http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/images/smilies/beerchug.gif

The car definitely has more grunt off the line and will spin the tires effortlessly. I just need to get to the track to see what the numbers say.

1fastsedan
04-11-2009, 11:53 AM
For those that have swapped hubs while doing axles, the hub bolts require an E (external Torx) socket, right? At least Cam's did (but only God knows if those are the original bolts or not on his car :wink:). What size E socket do you need? Thanks.

torRed #1169
04-11-2009, 12:09 PM
I think you can use a 12 point 3/8 socket.

I have to double check but I'm pretty sure.......Eric can confirm.

1fastsedan
04-11-2009, 02:41 PM
I know that you can use a 12-point 3/8 socket, but I'd like to get the correct E socket in case something ever goes wrong and I need to change them again.

1fastsedan
04-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Did the job yesterday. The correct tool to remove the hub bolts is an E12 socket. Thanks for the good write up Erik!

Someguy
05-01-2009, 12:36 AM
i just finished doing mine. and this is not for the faint of heart. im a heavy duty mechanic by trade. and even i officially vowed, to never do any more work on this car, that requires me lying on my back in the garage. definitely used up every swear word i know, and even created a few new ones.

the one thing i didnt like about these axles. is it doesnt seem like they clip into the diff properly. you can just pull them out by hand. but on the stock axles, you need to use a pry bar to get them out of the diff. i even looked inside, from the opposite side that did not have an axle installed yet. and the new axle was pressed up against that bar in the center of the diff. so the axles could not go in any farther. i know that there is no way, the axles could just pop out while driving. but it is still a bit weird.

wbglider
05-01-2009, 12:48 AM
Excellant write up Erik, & congrats Adam on the successful shafting... maybe you can give me a hand with my getrag install?

prican_2000
05-01-2009, 01:25 PM
AWESOME WRITE-UP!

Will come in really handy whenever I get my hands on an SRT8 Rear end.

THANKS

Junior
06-02-2009, 06:43 PM
Bump for awesome.

Cam
06-02-2009, 06:44 PM
Bump for awesome.

Suck up ^^ :roll:

Junior
06-02-2009, 06:45 PM
^^ He is kinda cuddly. :mrgreen:

sergeo'shemi
06-02-2009, 09:01 PM
thanks for the write up

Hemi31
06-02-2009, 09:01 PM
^^ He is kinda cuddly. :mrgreen:Ok....thats just wrong:doh:

Junior
06-09-2009, 06:58 PM
I think I'll be tearing into this on Sunday. :thumbs_u:

If I'm swapping pumpkins but not halfshafts, you mentioned in my other thread that I should leave the shafts in the hubs, and just swing the pumpkin down like you describe here? I assume I still need to remove the rear axle nuts so they can travel some, but maybe leave the nuts on the ends? Or what keeps the halfshafts from wanting to fall out of the hubs once they're not in the pumpkin?

Hemi31
06-09-2009, 07:02 PM
you don't need to touch the axle nuts Mike.....the biggest thing is to keep the full weight of the car on the control arms so they are level.....this will give you extra clearance to swing the axles,and that will give you more room to work them out of and into the differential.

Junior
06-09-2009, 07:04 PM
you don't need to touch the axle nuts Mike.....the biggest thing is to keep the full weight of the car on the control arms so they are level.....this will give you extra clearance to swing the axles,and that will give you more room to work them out of and into the differential.

OH! Bitchin'. So I could back up onto ramps, leave the wheels on, and go from there, eh?

Assuming I can back up onto ramps. :)

Hemi31
06-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Actually if you have tall ramps thats a good way......don't try to work around the exhaust....just remove it.

Junior
06-09-2009, 07:06 PM
Awesome. Thanks Erik.

Junior
06-11-2009, 10:17 PM
Well, I couldn't wait until Sunday, but I might need a ride to work tomorrow. :mrgreen:

I've got the pumpkin lowered, but I was unsure of where to pry to get the axles to release. There's the stamped metal shield on the pumpkin, and inside of that, there's a softer stamped metal shield on the axle. Do I pry in between those two?

I've seen removed axles with that axle shield bent up, so I'm guessing that's par for the course?

Are those two what you refer to as the seal flange and the axle flange?

torRed #1169
06-11-2009, 10:34 PM
Pry between the stamped metal shield on the pumpkin, and the softer stamped metal shield on the axle.

You will most likely bend the protective dust shield on the axle.

Junior
06-11-2009, 11:04 PM
OK, will do - thanks man.

I'm gonna wrap it up for the evening - light's getting too low. Not a job to do on a Thursday after work in the driveway, but so far so good!

One thing to add to the discussion is to be careful not to back one of the two 21mm bolts too far out ahead of the other one - especially if you're using the gearless ratchet - since you have to remove it to reverse it, the potential to get it absolutely stuck is fairly high. You could back it right into the underside of the spare tire well, and not be able to do a damn thing about it. To get out of that, you'd have to have another working set to put on the other bolt to make some slack for the first one. Luckily this didn't happen to me, but there was a point I thought it had, and I was cursing myself pretty good. :mrgreen:

Also, the only 3/8" drive 21mm socket I could find locally was a deep socket, so I used Cam's idea of cutting it down so it was only deep enough for the bolt. Nice idea there.

And I couldn't find a 14mm male hex socket or Allen key for the plugs, but I had some straight 14mm hex stock left over from something else, so I cut about an inch off of that, and used a ratcheting box-end to turn it. That worked great too.

torRed #1169
06-11-2009, 11:57 PM
Yeah...believe it or not the hardest part of going this is having the right tools before you start.

On my 3rd time dropping the differential I had 2 ratchets with 21mm socket. One 3/8 and one 1/2 inch. Both going at the same time.

:)
Good luck.

Oh and Erik is still the Man!

concussion
06-12-2009, 12:14 AM
I'll be doing this swap (R/T to SRT pre '09) as soon as I pick up my half shafts and new seals.

Thanks for the write up.

stitchmonkey
06-12-2009, 02:01 AM
I'll be doing this swap (R/T to SRT pre '09) as soon as I pick up my half shafts and new seals.

Thanks for the write up.

I got my parts sitting in the garage waiting for when I get back from LX&B, I'm still a little hazy on the tone rings and what they look like

Junior
06-12-2009, 02:49 AM
I got my parts sitting in the garage waiting for when I get back from LX&B, I'm still a little hazy on the tone rings and what they look like

That I can help with, from having taken the hubs and knuckles off... They're on the part of the halfshaft that fits inside the knuckle. Like Erik said, they look and feel like the same material as refrigerator magnets. They shouldn't come loose when you remove the halfshaft - you'll have to carefully pry them off. That part I've never done, so others can fill you in on that.

That thin ring just hanging there is NOT the tone ring.

Tone ring is behind it still on the shaft.
1/2 inch wide in the picture.
It has little notches on it.

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x232/chrisjnc/feb09_040.jpg

stitchmonkey
06-12-2009, 02:13 PM
That I can help with, from having taken the hubs and knuckles off... They're on the part of the halfshaft that fits inside the knuckle. Like Erik said, they look and feel like the same material as refrigerator magnets. They shouldn't come loose when you remove the halfshaft - you'll have to carefully pry them off. That part I've never done, so others can fill you in on that.


Thanks!

Junior
06-12-2009, 05:13 PM
How important are new circlips for reassembly, if you're using your original halfshafts?

torRed #1169
06-13-2009, 01:47 AM
I reused the old ones and no issues.