***** 20" All Wheel Drive Wheel Update *****

[DougFR]

We just completed a fitment session on a 2007 AWD 300C using a 20x8 prototype wheel with a 245/45R20 tire. The session went great, the wheel/tire assembly fit like a glove.

Based on the limitations of the AWD offset we plan to make a 20" replica of the Charger SRT wheel for the AWD platforms. We plan to produce the wheel in chrome, competition grey and possibly gloss and satin black.

We are very interested in any thoughts or opinions you forum members might have.

You can email us at doug@factoryreproductions.com or david@factoryreproductions.com. or call 800-824-2676 and ask for either of us.

Thanks
Doug Heideman
David DeBerry

[Ron380]

I'm a little confused as to what style wheel you're talking about... are you making a wheel that looks like the 300 SRT wheel? Do you have a picture of it you could post?

I would be interested in a 20" Charger SRT-style wheel in chrome!:thumbs_u:

[The Trophy]

Anything on the 22" for the AWD? Viper, and 300c srt8 replica in 22".

I supose you are talking about charger srt8 20" styke who fits best with the Awd??

[DougFR]

We plan to make a replica of the 20" Charger SRT wheel.

[The Trophy]

ok , dang. the charger rims dont suits the 300 very well!

[Hemi31]

I would be interested.

[05magmn]

No vipers?

[mac424]

I'd be interested as well in a wheel like that! Do you have a cost estimate yet?

[CarbonViolater]

Doug,

Check your old post: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=102415

There are a half dozen requests/ideas in there.

[RandomAccess]

What do they weigh?

[DougFR]

No vipers?

Due to the offset of the AWD the Viper would be almost a flat faced wheel.

[DougFR]

Anything on the 22" for the AWD? Viper, and 300c srt8 replica in 22".

I supose you are talking about charger srt8 20" styke who fits best with the Awd??

There are some clearance issues with 22" on AWD. We are trying to work them out.

[The Trophy]

There are some clearance issues with 22" on AWD. We are trying to work them out.

good, im happy to hear that!

I guess we wont see any 4" wheels lip on a AWD soon.

[Dartman]

I'd definitely be interested. I am not impressed with the current AWD wheel options.

[striker071]

Why is the wheel based on a 8 inch rim. Stock rims are 8.5 and some people on the forums have used a 9.5 inch rim. I dont want a rim that is thinner than I currently have and taller. Dont want it looking like a wagon wheel. Will have to wait and see what they look like done. I have been on a little bit of a crusade about getting things done for the AWD LX. It is a shame the Vipers wont work as well.

[madeulooq]

So the 300c SRT wheel idea is a no go for the AWD even in 20s?

[RandomAccess]

What do they weigh?

I love my cragars.... but don't like the weight...

If they are lighter... and if they'll survive the winters with a polished aluminum option... and I don't have to do the wheel swap dance... I'd be interested.

[AWD_Gabe]

We just completed a fitment session on a 2007 AWD 300C using a 20x8 prototype wheel with a 245/45R20 tire. The session went great, the wheel/tire assembly fit like a glove.

Based on the limitations of the AWD offset we plan to make a replica of the 20" Charger SRT wheel for the AWD platforms. We plan to produce the wheel in chrome, competition grey and possibly gloss and satin black.

We are very interested in any thoughts or opinions you forum members might have.

You can email us at doug@factoryreproductions.com or david@factoryreproductions.com. or call 800-824-2676 and ask for either of us.

Thanks
Doug Heideman
David DeBerry


Doug,

Thanks for this update ... I'm definitely interested in a set of the Charger SRT8-style replicas ... 20" machined will be available ???

What does competition gray look like ?

How about a machined / black pockets option ? <<<< ------ me want !!!!



Oh, and Striker071,

the OEM rims are 18x7.5, not 8.5" ..... :)

[Titanium R/T]

Is there a time frame? I may be interested ... more so in 22's. but if the price is right ... I could do 20's. Pretty sick of these ugly stockers.

[striker071]

OK I stand corrected but come on a 9 inch wheel has to fit. I just feel robbed

[AWD_Gabe]

Yeah, it would be cool if the 20" wheel was 8.5-9" wide instead of the aforementioned 8" ...

And how about a 10" wide rear-fit-only option ?

For those out there that may want to do a staggered set-up ...


And once again, please consider a machined-face option, and also one with black pockets ...

[AWD_Gabe]

bump .... :mrgreen:

[mac424]

Yeah gotta keep this bumped. I wanna see these wheels and maybe know what they're gonna cost!

[DougFR]

DOT standard for rim width is to measure the rim from inside bead to inside bead (where the sidewalls of the tire meet the wheel). When you measure a stock rim this way it will measure 7.5 not 8.5 inches wide. I think you are measuring from the outside which should add about an inch. Measuring our wheel this way it would be 9 inches wide. If you look on the back of your wheel it should be stamped 18x7.5. Hope this helps.

Thanks
Doug

Why is the wheel based on a 8 inch rim. Stock rims are 8.5 and some people on the forums have used a 9.5 inch rim. I dont want a rim that is thinner than I currently have and taller. Dont want it looking like a wagon wheel. Will have to wait and see what they look like done. I have been on a little bit of a crusade about getting things done for the AWD LX. It is a shame the Vipers wont work as well.

[RandomAccess]

I love my cragars.... but don't like the weight...

If they are lighter... and if they'll survive the winters with a polished aluminum option... and I don't have to do the wheel swap dance... I'd be interested.

Any response on Weight / Polished alum option?

[DougFR]

We do not have an accurate weight at this time. We are considering polished ans machine finishes.

[AWD_Gabe]

We do not have an accurate weight at this time. We are considering polished ans machine finishes.

I am so ready for some 20's ... :rock: ... any idea of a time frame till we'll be able to buy these rims ?

[RandomAccess]

We do not have an accurate weight at this time. We are considering polished ans machine finishes.


Thanks for the response... Can we assume they will be comparable with the stock SRT wheel weight? (If you have a way of making them lighter... it would help greatly!)

[AWD_Gabe]

Bump !


Available yet ? :mrgreen:

[Titanium R/T]

Price???

[AWD_Gabe]

Bump .... I still NEED new wheels :mrgreen:

:deadhors:

:mrgreen:

[AWD_Gabe]

Well, I'm out of the market for a while ... just ordered a set of black-spoke rims elsewhere ..... sorry guys but it's taking too long to get nice AWD rims on the market ... some of these cars have been on sale since 2004/2005 ... doesn't take 4 years to build a wheel ....

[402 Motoring]

Too bad since these are now available

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/rimguy/Wheels/DSC_0118.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/rimguy/Wheels/DSC_0116.jpg

[AWD_Gabe]

Too bad since these are now available

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/rimguy/Wheels/DSC_0118.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c48/rimguy/Wheels/DSC_0116.jpg



Those are very nice rims, but I really didn't want to & couldn't spend $2500+ on wheels & tires (and sensors of course) .... :)

[Titanium R/T]

I am going to guess these wheels will be available in Oct or later ... when mod season is over in NH ......

These are the only wheels the wife has approved ... heh. I want chrome!

[PAChargerR/T]

BUMP....Any news? Getting very anxious. I might end up not being able to wait like Gabe.

[05magmn]

:popcorn::popcorn:updates?

[striker071]

No news ... is frustrating.

[HemiHearse]

If I had the money, I'd start w/ a 27" x 10" (Nascar) Tire and make a rim to fit. I ran N-50-15's years ago, lately went to 345-50-15. Get some rubber to the road. I hate looking at all the ricers w/ 195-45-18's "wagon wheels". I'm just an old hot-rodder. JMHNO

[Ron380]

Hey Doug,

Just wanted to show you something we came across with our current 20" rims...

AWD_Gabe has the JSA's, and I have the KV5's, we both have the exact same tires- Yoko. Parada Spec-X 255/45/20. See below for pictures and specs on these wheels: (post #71 and later)

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76058&page=4

You'll notice mine "stick out" more than his do in the fenders. I just wanted to show you this comparison, so you have some info. to go with on the wheels you're planning. The 8" wide JSA's with 50mm backspacing do fit under the fenders better. I don't have any rubbing issues or other problems, but mine is still the stock suspension, too.

Keep us updated on what you're coming up with! :thumbs_u:

[AWD_Gabe]

Hey Doug,

Just wanted to show you something we came across with our current 20" rims...

AWD_Gabe has the JSA's, and I have the KV5's, we both have the exact same tires- Yoko. Parada Spec-X 255/45/20. See below for pictures and specs on these wheels: (post #71 and later)

http://www.chargerforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76058&page=8

You'll notice mine "stick out" more than his do in the fenders. I just wanted to show you this comparison, so you have some info. to go with on the wheels you're planning. The 8" wide JSA's with 50mm backspacing do fit under the fenders better. I don't have any rubbing issues or other problems, but mine is still the stock suspension, too.

Keep us updated on what you're coming up with! :thumbs_u:



Page 8 of that thread is where the pics are .... fixed your link Ron ... :)

[MattRobertson]

I love those KV5's. Who makes those? That'd be a fine-looking 5-spoke for any of these cars.

Can't say I feel any love for a mere 8" wide wheel. What you really want is at least a 9" like come on the SRT's.

[AWD_Gabe]

I love those KV5's. Who makes those? That'd be a fine-looking 5-spoke for any of these cars.

Can't say I feel any love for a mere 8" wide wheel. What you really want is at least a 9" like come on the SRT's.


You're gonna dis the 8" wide wheel because of a half-inch ?

I can tell you from first-hand experience that they improved the handling of the car dramatically over the factory 18's ....

Dodge really should offer 20's on the AWD .... a proper R&T package for the AWD's would be really nice too :)


Oh, and the KV5's are made by Sport Edition and seem to be exclusively sold by The Tire Rack ...

[Ron380]

Page 8 of that thread is where the pics are .... fixed your link Ron ... :)

I have my view set up for 20 posts per page... :wink:

So far I like the KV5's too! They are about 10lbs. heavier per wheel than the stock one's (rim + these tires, compared to '07 18" rim with Conti's). That could be a factor if you do much drag racing.

I'm in the process of painting my calipers black, and I'm going to get red decals of some kind to put on them, too. Can't wait for my next chance to run an autocross, and see how the wider tires and wider stance affect the runs! :racing:

:mrgreen:

[MattRobertson]

You're gonna dis the 8" wide wheel because of a half-inch ?
Absolutely. I need wheel width for hard cornering. (see this Laguna Seca Corkscrew picture (http://foohbar.com/magnum/laguna02.jpg) and look at what the front tire is doing. Pity the poor sap trying that on a 1" narrower rim with a 255-width tire). That half inch is actually a full inch compared to the 20x9 stockers and thats enough to end your day -- and your tire and wheel -- at the very least when you are doing serious cornering.

If you are just doing street cruising then you are right its of minimal importance... although with an 8" wheel you can forget about the meaty 275/40/20 tires that a lot of folks like to put on the rears.

[charger08srt]

We plan to make a replica of the 20" Charger SRT wheel.
I WANT THEM:rock:

[Dartman]

I have my view set up for 20 posts per page... :wink:

So far I like the KV5's too! They are about 10lbs. heavier per wheel than the stock one's (rim + these tires, compared to '07 18" rim with Conti's). That could be a factor if you do much drag racing.

I'm in the process of painting my calipers black, and I'm going to get red decals of some kind to put on them, too. Can't wait for my next chance to run an autocross, and see how the wider tires and wider stance affect the runs! :racing:

:mrgreen:

I can't remember exactly when or where, but I saw your car recently. Nice ride.

[Ron380]

I can't remember exactly when or where, but I saw your car recently. Nice ride.

Thank you Sir! :mrgreen:

[Dartman]

Thank you Sir! :mrgreen:

You're welcome. You ought to swing by the K-Mart parking lot accross from The Greene on Friday evenings. When the weather's good a couple hundred cars come out (Hotrods, streetmachines, musclecars, trucks, bikes, everythings). There's usually a group of LXs. I've taken the Magnum out...and if I get a chance to get her out of mothballs, I'll take the Dart out soon.

[striker071]

OK I have had enough... I am calling Doug out at FR today .... after I get home from work and sleep a few hours ... should work out since they are west coasters...

[striker071]

OK I just got off te phone with Doug @ FR and let me tell you I am impressed with his professionalism and what I deem as great a great work ethic. The process is happening... and is moving forward. Some people might say that yeah the check is in the mail... but the commitment to design and manufacture a new set of wheels is staggering ... in design and testing as well as the manufacturing process never mind the sheer numbers that you have to commit to to be manufactured. Optimistically is a fall time frame. For the best reasons Doug really doesnt want to commit to a exact date due to so many different variables....(almost made me dizzy and glad I dont have to think of all of them every day) he stated that he would rather ere on the side of caution instead of losing business for making a potential customer upset because they waited and the wheel wasnt finished by a exact date. For that I applaud him and I know when I need a set of 20's I will go with Factory Reproductions when they are ultimately produced.

David

[smoove7410]

It probably won't be fall. Doug and FR are great, but wheels take longer to produce. Look here: http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=91497&highlight=replicas

I was instrumental in getting them to produce the 300 srt8 22 inch replicas. I contacted them with interest, and then tried to gauge the interest on the boards. I made quite a few threads doing this on all LX boards, eventually getting doug to come over here and look at them and post. They were green lit in November 07, and are supposed to arrive in late July to mid August. They also made the viper wheels, which took over a year to produce, but guess what, there products are great and worth the wait. When they get here, you will be happy you waited, or will be posting in the for sale section to sell your old rims to buy these. I'm not trying to rain on anyones parade...just sharing my two experiences with them and the reproductions. :)

[DA H.N.I.C.]

Personally I'd like to see someone make a 22" wheel in the Viper and 300C SRT8 mold for my AWD.
On my AWD I run a 24" x 9.5" wheel with a 32mm offset and there are no clearance issues whatsoever. 'Course it's an extremely expensive wheel, but doable still.
Not sure if anyone else wants a 22" AWD Viper or 300C SRT8 wheel but I really want something nicer than stock to run in the winter. Heck, I'd even run 20's but it doesn't seem like it's gonna happen since I keep hearing about all these "limitations" that I passed up a long time ago. Maybe it's just not cost-effective?

[F1fan]

Yeah, the wheels you have are real sweet for sure.


I'd like a set of Viper 20's for sure !!!

[smoove7410]

Here is the problem with making the awd wheels. Each wheel mold costs about 50k. They have to see a very large interest to invest the money. Getting the 300 srt8 22's made was no easy task. People have wanted them since 05 when the srt8 came out, and it took 4 years, and the right person at the right time to produce them. I'm pulling for you guys, but it doesn't look good.

[DA H.N.I.C.]

^^^^^^Yeah, I understand. Good to know I'm not alone!

[Thirsty4907]

any pictures of the wheels id like to see how the replicas look and would like to know how much it would all cost

[MAGZERO]

My mind is set....Boyd 20"s Junk Yard Dog's with the KW V2. I can't go wrong!

[Dartman]

My mind is set....Boyd 20"s Junk Yard Dog's with the KW V2. I can't go wrong!

Those are very nice. I definitely want a classic look, but don't know if I want to spend that much. Where are you getting them from?

These look interesting as well, and I like the price.

Liquidmetal Static 20x8.5 5x115mm 45mm offset $204.00 each:

http://www.discounttire.com/product/wheels/liqsta.s.xl.jpg

[Thirsty4907]

any updates on this

[Quicksilver83]

I'm very interested! I've been looking for an SRT8 wheel to fit my AWD Charger snice I got her. This would be a dream come true!

[AWD_Gabe]

I think by the time these become available I may be ready for a change ... lol


Any update on release time frame ?

[striker071]

Well I will give Doug a call again and see ... might be thursday before I can make the call... but hey I did before and I will again

[NoahVanDyke]

I know this has been asked and answered a million times but I want to be clear, I was looking at buying some FR Vipers from a member here, they are staggered, and he said they would fit on AWD applications. Is that the case or am I about to buy something I can not use??

[AWD_Gabe]

I know this has been asked and answered a million times but I want to be clear, I was looking at buying some FR Vipers from a member here, they are staggered, and he said they would fit on AWD applications. Is that the case or am I about to buy something I can not use??

Vipers are not made for AWD's ... .and from what I've seen said on here, they're not gonna be.



AWD's use a wheel offset in the 38-45mm range (for aftermarket 8.5-9" wide rims), and the OEM 18x7.5" wheel uses a 55mm offset.


RWD's use offsets in the 18-25mm range, so a RWD wheel would stick out about 1.25"

[NoahVanDyke]

so a RWD wheel would stick out about 1.25"

Thanks gabe, now for a totally noob question. What is so bad about them sticking out? Am I going to blow the transfer case or ruin the AWD or something if I put them on? Worst case?

[AWD_Gabe]

Thanks gabe, now for a totally noob question. What is so bad about them sticking out? Am I going to blow the transfer case or ruin the AWD or something if I put them on? Worst case?


It's gonna look horrible. That's when I stopped caring about the RWD rims.

[striker071]

There is also something about scrub radius.... I think that will make the suspension work strange

[atwong1]

Thanks gabe, now for a totally noob question. What is so bad about them sticking out? Am I going to blow the transfer case or ruin the AWD or something if I put them on? Worst case?

"Sticking out" itself is not bad, it's the turn axis of the front wheels being off center of the tires that's bad. When you make a turn, your front wheels are designed to turn about the middle of the width of the tires. That will give you the best traction and control during a turn. We all chose the AWD for the traction, not the looks. Looks are nice, but it will have to come after traction. That's why wheel spacers are ok to be used on the rear if you want to have the staggered look, but never in front.

I know this has been asked and answered a million times but I want to be clear, I was looking at buying some FR Vipers from a member here, they are staggered, and he said they would fit on AWD applications. Is that the case or am I about to buy something I can not use??

Problem with staggered is the uneven wear over time. In the beginning, you can choose carefully so that the front and rear both have exactly identical radius, like this case:

245-45/20
275-40/20

using http://www.bigcustomwheels.com/rt_specs.jsp

In the first 6,000 miles, you will be ok, but you cannot rotate the tires. At about 12,000 miles, you will start noticing front tires' wear are way more than rears', and HAL will too, not to mention that you are putting extra strain on the transfer case every inch you drive. Soon, the wear is so different that HAL will activate ECS so often you will want to buy new tires, say at 15,000 miles, assuming that your transfer case is still holding up with all those abuse, and that's just for a set of tires that's supposed to have a life of 30k miles. I would spend the money somewhere else to make the car look lower, turn tighter, go faster or strengthen the transfer case (which is our Archilles' heel if you want to put more power in our AWD cars), rather than spending on something that will potentially cost me more in the long run for no performance gain or improved safety at all.

[TTMR]

I am VERY interested in a set of these in black with a machined lip. I'm thinking spring will be the time for some summer wheels.

[atwong1]

I am VERY interested in a set of these in black with a machined lip. I'm thinking spring will be the time for some summer wheels.

Are you referring to mine or to the Charger SRT rims? And if SRT, what year? 07 and 08 are different.

[TTMR]

07 Srt

[Justice]

I've been waiting for charger SRT8 replicas that fit an AWD. theres not much of a selection out there for us AWD owners. I'll take chrome, machine finish, black, wutever.

[smoove7410]

Eta is about 60 days at the earliest. Hold on to your change! :)

[RandomAccess]

Eta is about 60 days at the earliest. Hold on to your change! :)

So any word on what the weight will be, and price?

[smoove7410]

Now word yet. I think there 20x9s were like 33 lbs, so obviously a little lighter since they are 8 inches wide. THe factory 20 inch srt wheels are 30 lbs per corner.

[RandomAccess]

Now word yet. I think there 20x9s were like 33 lbs, so obviously a little lighter since they are 8 inches wide. THe factory 20 inch srt wheels are 30 lbs per corner.

They gotta find a way of making them lighter... Tell em to shoot for 28 pounds for us track folks.... :)

[NoahVanDyke]

"Sticking out" itself is not bad, it's the turn axis of the front wheels being off center of the tires that's bad. When you make a turn, your front wheels are designed to turn about the middle of the width of the tires. That will give you the best traction and control during a turn.

Thanks At, that was a really great explination. But yet again I have a follow up question... The FR Viper rims made for the LX are something like offset of 12 or 15 I think. The FR Viper rims for the SRT-10 Ram are a 24. I know there are AWD guys running 32, is 24 that much smaller that the problems you drescribe with long term wear, turning radius and traction still gonna be an issue?

[atwong1]

Thanks At, that was a really great explination. But yet again I have a follow up question... The FR Viper rims made for the LX are something like offset of 12 or 15 I think. The FR Viper rims for the SRT-10 Ram are a 24. I know there are AWD guys running 32, is 24 that much smaller that the problems you drescribe with long term wear, turning radius and traction still gonna be an issue?

24 is way too small. Even 32 is not my taste. Rear does not matter because it doesn't do the turning, But front is no good.

[Thirsty4907]

Id still like to know a cost but is it gonna be possible to do a chrome/machined face with black pockets like the 08 superbee rims

[NoahVanDyke]

24 is way too small. Even 32 is not my taste. Rear does not matter because it doesn't do the turning, But front is no good.

I'm with ya. 24 = too small. 32 - "season to taste" Sooooooooooo.....

At, whatdya say to GCSRT8 rims, they come in at 34 mm offsett? I know for sure at least two AWD maggies ridding on custom 34 mm rims with no problems as of yet.

Only problem off the top of my head is that the GC wheels are SRT, and naturally, they have SRT on them. I don't know about other people, but I dont like when S500 has AMG wheels... It's sorta like false advertising.

[atwong1]

I'm with ya. 24 = too small. 32 - "season to taste" Sooooooooooo.....

At, whatdya say to GCSRT8 rims, they come in at 34 mm offsett? I know for sure at least two AWD maggies ridding on custom 34 mm rims with no problems as of yet.

Only problem off the top of my head is that the GC wheels are SRT, and naturally, they have SRT on them. I don't know about other people, but I dont like when S500 has AMG wheels... It's sorta like false advertising.

34mm will not have any problems at all when you are going straight, and neither will any offset. It's when you are making a high speed turn, which is what our AWD's are supposed to excellent at, that makes a huge difference. As for me, with my 40mm offset and KW v2, I have made and will continue to make 90deg turns at speeds that will throw a stock Nissan 350Z off track.

As for false advertising, I do not have to right to oppose it because of my batman emblem (assuming that I am not batman), but if other people like it and do it, it's okay. Once I upgraded a ride, I think it's fair to remove all emblems related to it's performance, but I sure won't put SRT emblem on it while I still have R/T parts in it. Likewise, if you have an SRT and you put a SC in it, you should at least add an emblem to stay truthful. I want to remove my R/T badge because mine is more than an R/T already, but definitely not SRT. I want to remove even my AWD and HEMI and Charger emblem, because I don't see a good reason to advertise what it is. For the wheels, if you like the style, and they just happened to have SRT written on it, it's not false advertisement in my opinion. You are not spending another $50 to put them on intentionally. You do not even have a choice there. Again, that's just personal preference, with laws aside.

[07ChargerRTAWD]

Im sooo jelous of your shifthammer kit... thats awsome!!! How do u like it?

[AWDJohn]

With the recent downturn in the economy, is this project still a go? I am debating what do in the near future as my tires are wearing down. Just curious.....

[smoove7410]

Yep. The AWD charger replicas will be in at the end of this month.

[AWD_Gabe]

I'm still watching ..... :)

[Venomm666]

I'm still watching ..... :)
:sosayweall:

[Dartman]

FR's website is now updated with a page, pics, and specs of the new AWD wheels. Don't know if they're available for shipment yet.

[AWD_Gabe]

FR's website is now updated with a page, pics, and specs of the new AWD wheels. Don't know if they're available for shipment yet.

Cool ..... :)





From their website http://www.factoryreproductions.com/wheels.php?co=dodge&wheel=2 :

http://www.factoryreproductions.com/images/dodge/dodge-charger-awd.gif

20x8 5x115MM +47 offset


:thumbs_u: :thumbs_u: :thumbs_u: :thumbs_u: :thumbs_u: :thumbs_u: :thumbs_u:

[striker071]

YEEEEAHHHHHHH :beerchug::thumbs_u::thumbs_u::thumbs_u::thumbs_u: :banana::pepper::swinger::kinglock::racing:

[Venomm666]

Here is their post in vendors...prices and all...awesome deals if you ask me...
http://www.lxforums.com/board/showthread.php?t=140193