Rear Shock Tower Brace Spy Photo shhhhh

[Paul@Rem]

[Edited by CoolVanilla: Member's company information removed as per our non supporting vendor policy.]

http://www.mustangmods.com/ims/u/581/12140/230339.jpg
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[Bud]

Great news. I've been waiting for a rear tower brace for a while. When is this one going to be available?

[SMosher]

ok .. where is mine? :)

[sound&security]

PAUL i swear i'm showing up there tomorrow morning with a credit card. have one polished up for me. IF not i'll bug the living chit out of you like i do untill you have no choise but to drive one over to me and beat the crap out of me with it.

[sound&security]

IS IT DONE YET?????????????/:panic:

[sound&security]

How About Now?

[sound&security]

Come On!!! Is It Done Yet?

[SMosher]

/me waits ...


Now? I got a car show on Saturday. That help me any? :)

[SMosher]

/me pushes sound@security#2 out of the way.

MINE! :)

[1fastsedan]

Looks pretty bulky. Is it removable?

Why not something more simple? This one is made of chro-molly and I know that a few are going to be made soon.
http://www.srt8oc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8191&highlight=rear+strut

[JMatt]

What's the purpose of this piece?

[CoolVanilla]

Paul is this a product you are or plan to sell?

[sound&security]

/me pushes sound@security#2 out of the way.

MINE! :)
AS Smosher makes a mad dash for the bar-HE'S blocked my S&S's girlfriend who's wearing nothing but a smile!!! SMocher is blinded by huge boob's and a fine a$$ as S&S sneek's up behind HIM and put's a full nelson on him!!! WHO WILL GET TO THE BAR FIRST??? STAY TUNED BOY'S AND GIRLS AS OUR STORY UNFOLD's!!! tune in tomorrow-for part 2 of [WHICH MONKEY WILL GET THE BAR FIRST]

[sound&security]

Looks pretty bulky. Is it removable?

Why not something more simple? This one is made of chrome molly and I know that a few are going to be made soon.
http://www.srt8oc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8191&highlight=rear+strut
4 BOLTS AND IT OUT.

[Hemi31]

And Uh.....what the hell is that supposed to support?None of the suspension is actually bolted to the shock mounts except for the shocks.........that bar does nothing.

[BigHemi06]

AS Smosher makes a mad dash for the bar-HE'S blocked my S&S's girlfriend who's wearing nothing but a smile!!! SMocher is blinded by huge boob's and a fine a$$ as S&S sneek's up behind HIM and put's a full nelson on him!!! WHO WILL GET TO THE BAR FIRST??? STAY TUNED BOY'S AND GIRLS AS OUR STORY UNFOLD's!!! tune in tomorrow-for part 2 of [WHICH MONKEY WILL GET THE BAR FIRST]

LMAO

[Johnparts]

I feel like saying something but I cant

[crhemi]

Any better pictures?

[sound&security]

And Uh.....what the hell is that supposed to support?None of the suspension is actually bolted to the shock mounts except for the shocks.........that bar does nothing.
WRONG it's the same as the front other than theres only 1 moving part tied to it. the front has the uper control arm and the shock and the rear has only the shock tied to it-BUT-it does move. when the shock is compressed durning a bump or hard cornering it WILL FLEX the shock tower out of shape. and as the shock compress'es up ward it cause's the shock tower to flex inward toward the other [or center of the trunk] the shock tower [mount] is nothing more than 12 gauge sheet metal and the weight of the car and the force of the suspension working DOES FLEX IT.

[elcobra44]

I personally wouldn't want to cut up the side liners AND the floor of the trunk for this, but I'm sure there's some die hard auto-crossers out there who might do so..

[TTMR]

I want to figure out an easily removable magnum bar

[SMosher]

AS Smosher makes a mad dash for the bar-HE'S blocked my S&S's girlfriend who's wearing nothing but a smile!!! SMocher is blinded by huge boob's and a fine a$$ as S&S sneek's up behind HIM and put's a full nelson on him!!! WHO WILL GET TO THE BAR FIRST??? STAY TUNED BOY'S AND GIRLS AS OUR STORY UNFOLD's!!! tune in tomorrow-for part 2 of [WHICH MONKEY WILL GET THE BAR FIRST]

LOL! Great post dude!

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

How much would you guys be willing to pay for one of these?

Im in the process of making one that can be unbolted and is not as huge?

[SMosher]

I can't wait to get my hands on it. I've seen other rear braces that are from shock tower to shock tower. This puts a third point in the mix so the towers aren't pushing and pulling on each other.

[X E Ryder]

I like anything that stiffens the car for the abuse received on open course road racing.

I would like to see this same bar tied into the upper spring mount locations in back as that is also just sheet metal. The upper shock mounts are a start, but the upper spring mounts would be a good place to tie in as well.

http://www.xeryder.com/xe1170-4.jpg
It might be helpful here, like on April 7th. :)

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

valid point there X E. it would essentially look like a rear sub frame cage. I hope you dont get groceries in that thing ;)

[SMosher]

Very good point. I'm sure any pointers we can offer these guys they will act on it.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

Exactly. I am very serious about building front and rear bars and I will make a jig and sell them for ya'll. So all the info you give will add to the design and quality.

[X E Ryder]

valid point there X E. it would essentially look like a rear sub frame cage. I hope you dont get groceries in that thing ;)

No way man, the bars keep me from spilling all my $hit everywhere because they pack groceries in those stupid thin a$$ plastic bags.

Turn the back of my car into a jungle gym for all I care, so long as it is tied into relevant points, stiff and light!

:pepper:

[SMosher]

No way man, the bars keep me from spilling all my $hit everywhere because they pack groceries in those stupid thin a$$ plastic bags.

Turn the back of my car into a jungle gym for all I care, so long as it is tied into relevant points, stiff and light!

:pepper:

Thats some funny stuff right here. I hat crap banging around in the trunk.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

hahaha true.

Well you got my vote on a rear cage. Stiff = Good.

I think Insurance companies might get a little suspicious when they see your big brake kit and vehicle cage tho. :racing:

[SMosher]

Just say "Its for saftey, honest!" :)

[TTMR]

Amazing how much cr@p ends up living in the back of my magnum. If you want to know what I need here ya go: A simple bar that can be installed into a magnum with minimal trim removal/modification that I can install for auto cross and then put back to stock simply as this is my daily driver also.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

LMAO

"its true officer, that cage keeps my nitrous bottle from rolling around while i was getting to work on time...."


Im all for a rear cage and I will spend my late nights making one in aut cad and doing one right.

[Hemi31]

WRONG it's the same as the front other than theres only 1 moving part tied to it. the front has the uper control arm and the shock and the rear has only the shock tied to it-BUT-it does move. when the shock is compressed durning a bump or hard cornering it WILL FLEX the shock tower out of shape. and as the shock compress'es up ward it cause's the shock tower to flex inward toward the other [or center of the trunk] the shock tower [mount] is nothing more than 12 gauge sheet metal and the weight of the car and the force of the suspension working DOES FLEX IT.Wow.....so your going to add extra support to a part thats supposed to flex up and down anyway.....the point is all of the suspension pieces are on their own cradle competely isolated from the body......Isolated with rubber bushings.So the only thing the bar is supporting is a couple of shocks.Normally a brace like that is used to support a strut type suspension where the strut and tower are an integral part of the suspension and the bar keeps the suspension geometry intact.If a shock moves an 1/8th of an inch it will never be notced.I'm sorry if you don't like it but as a suspension stiffener this will do little to nothing IMO.

[lmbcfls]

A rear bar won't do much insofar as stiffening the suspension, but it may stiffen the body some (especially over the long term) -- may minimize body flex, and some of the resulting creaks, etc. But, any bar with a "hinge" (e.g., an arrangement where the center section bolts to caps that are fixed to the tops of the rear shock mounting points to facilitate installation and removal) won't do much and is primarily "decorative".

[X E Ryder]

Wow.....so your going to add extra support to a part thats supposed to flex up and down anyway.....the point is all of the suspension pieces are on their own cradle competely isolated from the body......Isolated with rubber bushings.So the only thing the bar is supporting is a couple of shocks.Normally a brace like that is used to support a strut type suspension where the strut and tower are an integral part of the suspension and the bar keeps the suspension geometry intact.If a shock moves an 1/8th of an inch it will never be notced.I'm sorry if you don't like it but as a suspension stiffener this will do little to nothing IMO.

I agree with most of this. There are a few locations not provided by the rear cradle though. The upper shock mount of course, but more importantly, the upper spring mount. It just sits in a sheet metal cup between the wheels under the trunk. This cup is in the direct vicinity of the rear shock mount sheet metal "box".

While it is questionable tying the upper rear shock mounts together will do much, as no "sprung weight" will be shoved up into them during cornering, supporting the sheet metal directly above and around the upper spring cups could find purpose in a road course/hard cornering environment. I think many are forgeting that it is not upwards movement we are considering, but the warping sideward movements of hard cornering. Taking a hard corner in our heavy cars tries to bend everything sideways, not Up!

Finally, the entire rear cradle just bolts up with 4 bolts into what? more sheet metal of the unibody slightly reinforced. Does it move? Does any of it move? Hell if I know! I would guess with the abuse I put to my car, it does a little, but not up or down - Sideways!

Anyone who has driven a car cornering before and after a cage install can attest to the amazing difference it makes, I know I can (Not talking rollbar here - and it amazes me how many people think a cage is only for rollover protection - the stiffness it provides the car is the primary reason for a Cage). While this is not a cage, if we can stop any local flexing around the suspension during hard use, we have gained something, so long as it is not too heavy.

I hope they tie in the upper spring mount area and maybe some of the metal around the cradle mounts - it is hard to see in the pictures yet. I will buy one if the geometry of the design is as well thought out as the matching front they currently offer. To be honest, I'm glad someone decided to try to design an effective front/rear solution with function! :)

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

I entirely disagree. The body of our cars is fat. Its like putting a back brace on a fat kid. Since you cant cut the fat, stiffen it up.

A bar going from tower to tower and from each tower to the floor would prevent the rear body from flexing under extreme conditions (i.e. track driving, autoX, drag). I have seen what rear bracing will do when done right.

Besides, its just another mod that sets you apart from all the others. :beerchug:

[SMosher]

My take ... Any support I can add to the ride the better I am.

I do plan on hitting road courses with this car and any firming up of the 'fat kid' would be great.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

I agree. And i just like spending money on my car :modding:


haha just let me know if any ideas or designs pop up in your heads guys

[Walt SRT8]

I agree with most of this. There are a few locations not provided by the rear cradle though. The upper shock mount of course, but more importantly, the upper spring mount. It just sits in a sheet metal cup between the wheels under the trunk. This cup is in the direct vicinity of the rear shock mount sheet metal "box".

While it is questionable tying the upper rear shock mounts together will do much, as no "sprung weight" will be shoved up into them during cornering, supporting the sheet metal directly above and around the upper spring cups could find purpose in a road course/hard cornering environment. I think many are forgeting that it is not upwards movement we are considering, but the warping sideward movements of hard cornering. Taking a hard corner in our heavy cars tries to bend everything sideways, not Up!

Finally, the entire rear cradle just bolts up with 4 bolts into what? more sheet metal of the unibody slightly reinforced. Does it move? Does any of it move? Hell if I know! I would guess with the abuse I put to my car, it does a little, but not up or down - Sideways!

Anyone who has driven a car cornering before and after a cage install can attest to the amazing difference it makes, I know I can (Not talking rollbar here - and it amazes me how many people think a cage is only for rollover protection - the stiffness it provides the car is the primary reason for a Cage). While this is not a cage, if we can stop any local flexing around the suspension during hard use, we have gained something, so long as it is not too heavy.

I hope they tie in the upper spring mount area and maybe some of the metal around the cradle mounts - it is hard to see in the pictures yet. I will buy one if the geometry of the design is as well thought out as the matching front they currently offer. To be honest, I'm glad someone decided to try to design an effective front/rear solution with function! :)


I would have to agree. :beerchug:

[TeeJizzle]

I have speakers in the trunk so this wont work for me.

[LX HEMI]

I have speakers in the trunk so this wont work for me.
unless you move your speakers...

[Hemi31]

I agree with most of this. There are a few locations not provided by the rear cradle though. The upper shock mount of course, but more importantly, the upper spring mount. It just sits in a sheet metal cup between the wheels under the trunk. This cup is in the direct vicinity of the rear shock mount sheet metal "box".

While it is questionable tying the upper rear shock mounts together will do much, as no "sprung weight" will be shoved up into them during cornering, supporting the sheet metal directly above and around the upper spring cups could find purpose in a road course/hard cornering environment. I think many are forgeting that it is not upwards movement we are considering, but the warping sideward movements of hard cornering. Taking a hard corner in our heavy cars tries to bend everything sideways, not Up!

Finally, the entire rear cradle just bolts up with 4 bolts into what? more sheet metal of the unibody slightly reinforced. Does it move? Does any of it move? Hell if I know! I would guess with the abuse I put to my car, it does a little, but not up or down - Sideways!

Anyone who has driven a car cornering before and after a cage install can attest to the amazing difference it makes, I know I can (Not talking rollbar here - and it amazes me how many people think a cage is only for rollover protection - the stiffness it provides the car is the primary reason for a Cage). While this is not a cage, if we can stop any local flexing around the suspension during hard use, we have gained something, so long as it is not too heavy.

I hope they tie in the upper spring mount area and maybe some of the metal around the cradle mounts - it is hard to see in the pictures yet. I will buy one if the geometry of the design is as well thought out as the matching front they currently offer. To be honest, I'm glad someone decided to try to design an effective front/rear solution with function! :)I would agree if not for the cradle.......stiffening the body with a cage does work wonders to cars with a suspension bolted directly to the chassis or unibody....we have neither.At least on our front suspension the strut and the upper control arm are bolted directly to the tower and thats where the front brace helps.I would think a set of polyurethane cradle bushings would go 10x further to stiffening the rear of the car than a shock tower brace.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

But a combination of both would be unstoppable :rock:

[SMosher]

I would agree if not for the cradle.......stiffening the body with a cage does work wonders to cars with a suspension bolted directly to the chassis or unibody....we have neither.At least on our front suspension the strut and the upper control arm are bolted directly to the tower and thats where the front brace helps.I would think a set of polyurethane cradle bushings would go 10x further to stiffening the rear of the car than a shock tower brace.


The poly bushings is a great idea, but who else besides pedders has them?

I'm not spending 5700 bucks to outfit the car with Pedders bushings.

[sound&security]

My take ... Any support I can add to the ride the better I am.

I do plan on hitting road courses with this car and any firming up of the 'fat kid' would be great.
than stop eating all those ding dong's and road side hot dog's!!:Na_Na_Na_Na:

[Hemi31]

The poly bushings is a great idea, but who else besides pedders has them?

I'm not spending 5700 bucks to outfit the car with Pedders bushings.You CAN buy them separately.

[Cam]

You CAN buy them separately.

yup, 5 hundy spendgaullies for those. :doh:

[SMosher]

You CAN buy them separately.

True one can. But according to Pedders they wont sell them direct yet.

So back up the price to have some other putz install them for you.

[SMosher]

yup, 5 hundy spendgaullies for those. :doh:

Right, and thats just the 4 main carrige bushings.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

its a shame they charge so much for 4 bushings. I mean I understand R&D but chit man. If they were say half that, maybe they'd sell like hot cakes.

I mean heck, I'd buy them.

[SMosher]

its a shame they charge so much for 4 bushings. I mean I understand R&D but chit man. If they were say half that, maybe they'd sell like hot cakes.

I mean heck, I'd buy them.

I recall the days we did poly bushing swaps on 4x4 trucks all day long.

What makes these any better? I will find out Sunday at a Pedders event in Fairfeild.

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

nice. Ya i was gonna say I dont remember Bushings being that expensive in the offroad days

[Cam]

its a shame they charge so much for 4 bushings. I mean I understand R&D but chit man. If they were say half that, maybe they'd sell like hot cakes.

I mean heck, I'd buy them.

I had this exact same conversation with Frank at SEMA. We also discussed the fact that unless they install a system in a ride that really does hit the road course on a regular basis for a fair unbiased write-up, that most would never ever consider spending that kind of money. He told me that they had already sponsored two rides. Well not long after SEMA, I found out he had.................................both of them trailer queens. :doh:

Then when he offered a 1/2 off deal. I talked with Pedders Proper again. I told them, hey I'll buy the system but I install it. Well, there was no way in hell would they hear of it.

So life goes on. It won't be long before some competition steps up and they have no choice but to drop their pricing.

I really wish someone that has been flogging one of these things for a while now with all the bells and whistles would install a pedders system and then provide some exacting detail.

[SMosher]

I had this exact same conversation with Frank at SEMA. We also discussed the fact that unless they install a system in a ride that really does hit the road course on a regular basis for a fair unbiased write-up, that most would never ever consider spending that kind of money. He told me that they had already sponsored two rides. Well not long after SEMA, I found out he had.................................both of them trailer queens. :doh:

Then when he offered a 1/2 off deal. I talked with Pedders Proper again. I told them, hey I'll buy the system but I install it. Well, there was no way in hell would they hear of it.

So life goes on. It won't be long before some competition steps up and they have no choice but to drop their pricing.

I really wish someone that has been flogging one of these things for a while now with all the bells and whistles would install a pedders system and then provide some exacting detail.

Agree fully. We'll be asking questions at the meet this weekend. Come on up Cam! :)

[SMosher]

Paul, where is my rear brace? :)

[MattRobertson]

I personally wouldn't want to cut up the side liners AND the floor of the trunk for this, but I'm sure there's some die hard auto-crossers out there who might do so..

Yeah, I am thinking just do a single bar so its easily removable. Don't try and go bananas with this thing. If you want ape$hit stiffness, do it up right and put in a cage. Let these little bars be for the Stage 1 mod level.

I really wish someone that has been flogging one of these things for a while now with all the bells and whistles would install a pedders system and then provide some exacting detail.When the bushing fairy leaves me a set under my pillow I'll provide you with all the detail you could possibly imagine, and since its me we're talking about, far more than you'll ever want to see

:picard:


But only an ignoramus would pay that kind of money sight unseen.

[Neonwheels]

than stop eating all those ding dong's and road side hot dog's!!:Na_Na_Na_Na:

Whoa, there are some things i don't need to know about a guy http://smiliesftw.com/x/inoutuhh2.gif

[Cam]

Agree fully. We'll be asking questions at the meet this weekend. Come on up Cam! :)

Steve, I wish I could. But this weekend is already history.

But only an ignoramus would pay that kind of money sight unseen.

Well that's kinda how I looked at it.










But I still don't understand why your not getting a set. :Na_Na_Na_Na: :pepper:

[X E Ryder]

yup, 5 hundy spendgaullies for those. :doh:

I have to say - this price Shocked me! Let's buy a lump of Poly and my machinist can turn it down on shop labor rates for $100

[SMosher]

Thanks for all your insight guys.

And yes, its time to create our own poly bushings. :P

[TTMR]

if somebody makes em cheaper I'm in to buy!

[CoolVanilla]

Paul is this a product you are or plan to sell?Since my question has gone unanswered at this point, I need to assume on the side of our supporting vendors.

Paul, please refrain from any sort of mention of any product you sell or plan to sell, on these boards. We offer a very reasonable supporting vendor program that many companies subscribe to, for just that right. If you're interested in becoming a supporting vendor here, please follow up with MagnumClub via private message, by following this link: http://www.lxforums.com/board/private.php?do=newpm&u=3725

I've edited out the company information from the first post. The discussion here is a good one, so the post will remain open with the above understanding in place.

[SMosher]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentional.

[X E Ryder]

Oh whoops - I thought they were.

Well that's easy to fix and worthwhile! Go for it Paul! :)

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

So what have we decided upon then?

-----

- Poly bushings for the suspension Cradles

- A removable rear tower bar

- A removable cage that helps support the Unibody at the spring buckets

- Possibly a cage tied into some sort of Subwoofer box for all the Hood Racers



So come on vendors!!!! Step up to the plate and lets get this stuff movin :racing:

[ITsGOTaHEMI?]

I have to say - this price Shocked me! Let's buy a lump of Poly and my machinist can turn it down on shop labor rates for $100


You know Im down. Find me a machinist and some poly and i'll throw out some greenbacks

[SMosher]

/me knocks on the monitor

[Cam]

/me knocks on the monitor

Ok, I'll bite.








Who's there??????

[SMosher]

Ahh nothing. Just the Front and Rear brace threads have both died since the the mods edited the company name out of the first post.

Ok, I'll bite.








Who's there??????

[X E Ryder]

Well stay tuned bro. I will have the Front bar on 4-2, and the rear bar.... I just can't say anything yet but trust me - good things are only a matter of days out!

[Walt SRT8]

Well stay tuned bro. I will have the Front bar on 4-2, and the rear bar.... I just can't say anything yet but trust me - good things are only a matter of days out!

Yes they are.

[Walt SRT8]

Ahh nothing. Just the Front and Rear brace threads have both died since the the mods edited the company name out of the first post.


HMMMM.............I think it rhymes with REM??????

[SMosher]

I've been in contact with "THAT COMPANY" since last week so all is good on the verbal front.

[ylwnana]

wtf? i want some stiffnes too!! dont understand all the secret lingo but someone tell me who to send my $$$ to for frnt and rear's!!