Gas Guzzlers Be Gone

[GEN XER]

This is all out war on V-8's and above.

http://editorial.autos.msn.com/article.aspx?cp-documentid=455013&topart=utes

[Darthvader]

Grey Ghost is a Schwinn???

No big loss on the Vette.

[Pappa John]

Thank goodness,
I should be dead and gone before they pry my fingers off MY gas guzzler. I was a young teenager during the last gas crisis and I lost my chance to drive the Hemis and big blocks because it wasn't PC to own one. Well now that I'm getting old and gray ( I'm sorry tree huggers) You can kiss my widening flat behind, I'm driving mine like I stole it...:racing: I'm NOT falling for it twice in my lifetime....

[cm2005300]

Thank goodness,
I should be dead and gone before they pry my fingers off MY gas guzzler. I was a young teenager during the last gas crisis and I lost my chance to drive the Hemis and big blocks because it wasn't PC to own one. Well now that I'm getting old and gray ( I'm sorry tree huggers) You can kiss my widening flat behind, I'm driving mine like I stole it...:racing: I'm NOT falling for it twice in my lifetime....
preach on brotha!!

[TorRed #1179]

I agree! If we have the money to spend for the gas, then screw 'em! Don't they know that there is a part of America that wants it big, muscle car, performance cars! Just because Al Gore wants to drive around in a Hybrid, doesn't mean all of America wants to as well.

The sad thing here is that most SUV's comsume more gas than a lot of the muscle cars! My 05 Durango AWD Limited gets around 12-14 city and 18-19 hwy. My car even with all the mods doen to it averages about 16-17 around town and 24-26 on the open road. Go figure!

[Hemi31]

Hmmmmm.......guess that V-10 Excursion I just bought should piss off plenty of people;)

[Ghostface Mag]

Hmmmmm.......guess that V-10 Excursion I just bought should piss off plenty of people;)


Yea....11487

[pigpen]

Good article though!

I agree with them to a certain extent

[ToddStone]

You know they can make gas saving V8's and higher performance V6's. Hell, the four bangers have a lot more power than some V8's and V6's. Maybe they'll make bigger four cylinder engines to compensate.

[Frook]

I may only get 15-20mpg, but at least I don't look like a total douche-bag driving a pocket-racer car. Keep your high mileage vehicles, I'm still gettin mine.

[JarZ]

I was just thinking yesterday... all the cabs in the big cities (and elsewhere) are almost exclusively V8s and they drive in stop and go city traffic all day long. Get that taken care of, then bitch about Joe Schmo driving his V8.

[Ella C SRT]

Audi (http://autos.msn.com/browse/Audi.aspx) will almost certainly bring us a diesel version of its spectacular R8 (http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/default.aspx?make=Audi&model=R8) sports car, combining 500 horsepower with a respectable 24 mpg

Diesel's well over the cost of premium and I get 20 mpg.
Now, give me HP equal to that guy and, sure, it's going to be somewhat of a drop.
*shrug*

Ladies and Gents,
Welcome to the mid-seventies.
Keep drivin' it like you stole it, PJ!

[Magnum P.I]

You got that right.And thats what i am saying.I work five days a week and i drive 30min to work and 30min back.Work for 8hrs and at home for the other 15hr.How the hell are you going to tell me that if i had a v8 or whatever other engine size thats not hybrid. How am i doing more damage to the environment than the taxis and the buses(don't leave them out.When they move from a complete stop all i see is big ole black puff of smoke going up).My car does not give of black or any other color smoke and neither does any other car that i see on the road...This is BSSS and why does a car brand new of the lot needs an emission test but a car over 20yrs(Sorry classic car collectors) does not(thats the law here in Canada,don't know about the USA) to me thats not making any sense, the newer engine is more efficient:racing::racing:.I was just thinking yesterday... all the cabs in the big cities (and elsewhere) are almost exclusively V8s and they drive in stop and go city traffic all day long. Get that taken care of, then bitch about Joe Schmo driving his V8.

[RT NOMAD]

A lot of truth in the article.
This might very well be our last hurrah.
I'm sure making the best of it.

[Hemi Mag]

JUst another example of the Pussification of America.

AC

[elixir]

First, we will be forced to buy all of these high gas mileage vehicles and then in about 10-20 years, when the price of oil plummets, people will start demanding gas-guzzling behemoths and the cycle will start all over again. That is, of course, if we have not already reached peak-oil.

[GEN XER]

Hmmmmm.......guess that V-10 Excursion I just bought should piss off plenty of people;)

I know how you fell there. I got one too. How do you like that 10MPG?

[moparknighthawk]

The Federal Governemnt needs to stay out of my life and allow me to buy and drive whatever I dayam well please! All they need to do is keep paying my salary and shut up! :mrgreen:

[MOPARORNOCAR818]

i agree we need to cut down..but what are they gonna do take our cars...or stop selling gas. lol

also, why is it that chevy is the only one making flex fuel cars...if i remember correctly coverting a car to use different fuel isnt that expensive. where is the universal kit

where is the universal kit...

[moonstreaker]

If you want to blame someone for all the V8 hatred yell at your neighbor driving the SUV. These 12-14 mpg hogs have all been snuck through the unregulated light truck loophole for the past decade. I understand why the environmentalists are pissed. With all our technological advances overall gas mileage is lower than it was 20 years ago. Because everyone has to drive a monster truck so they feel safer, even though the exact opposite is true.

What I would really like to know is where all HHO burning engines keep going? Oh that's right...they get burried by big oil, the federal govt, and the big 3. Instead they'll push every alternative fuel under the sun that allows them to maintain control. Imagine how upset the good old boys would be if the general population new that you can get 1833 gallons of combustible gas (gas as in not solid or liquid) from 1 gallon of water. Which would allow me to keep my Hemi w/o worrying about the smog police.

[GEN XER]

You know they can make gas saving V8's and higher performance V6's. Hell, the four bangers have a lot more power than some V8's and V6's. Maybe they'll make bigger four cylinder engines to compensate.

Technology always comes through. These types of regulations makes car company's take another look at how they can make it work better. I dont believe V-8's will disappear but they will get more economical and still have performance. Audi makes great HP with its Fuel Stratified Injection (FSI) in there engines and can maintain decent MPG as well, the technology already exists it just has to be improved upon.

[GEN XER]

I was just thinking yesterday... all the cabs in the big cities (and elsewhere) are almost exclusively V8s and they drive in stop and go city traffic all day long. Get that taken care of, then bitch about Joe Schmo driving his V8.

You are on to something here. I think all Fed/ State/ And City vehicles should be fuel efficient vehicles and hybrids. The only V-8's should be law enforcement and F&ES.

[GEN XER]

We have the same backward Laws.

You got that right.And thats what i am saying.I work five days a week and i drive 30min to work and 30min back.Work for 8hrs and at home for the other 15hr.How the hell are you going to tell me that if i had a v8 or whatever other engine size thats not hybrid. How am i doing more damage to the environment than the taxis and the buses(don't leave them out.When they move from a complete stop all i see is big ole black puff of smoke going up).My car does not give of black or any other color smoke and neither does any other car that i see on the road...This is BSSS and why does a car brand new of the lot needs an emission test but a car over 20yrs(Sorry classic car collectors) does not(thats the law here in Canada,don't know about the USA) to me thats not making any sense, the newer engine is more efficient:racing::racing:.

[elixir]

Imagine how upset the good old boys would be if the general population new that you can get 1833 gallons of combustible gas (gas as in not solid or liquid) from 1 gallon of water. Which would allow me to keep my Hemi w/o worrying about the smog police.

Yes, but the cost of hydrogen production is not yet competitive with that of gasoline. Researchers are getting close, but not there yet. Storage is another factor being worked on.

And I don't know if gasoline-fueled internal combustion engines can be easily modified to run on gaseous hydrogen. More likely, such a vehicle will have an electric motor(s) powered by hydrogen fuel cells.

[moonstreaker]

Yes, but the cost of hydrogen production is not yet competitive with that of gasoline. Researchers are getting close, but not there yet. Storage is another factor being worked on.

And I don't know if gasoline-fueled internal combustion engines can be easily modified to run on gaseous hydrogen. More likely, such a vehicle will have an electric motor(s) powered by hydrogen fuel cells.The information you have (and what most others are made to believe) couldn't be any further from the truth. No storage of hydrogen is needed. Hydrogen on demand systems convert water to HHO onboard. No high pressure (explosive) tanks or hydrogen fueling staions required. HHO and HHO/gasoline hybrids are quite cost effective and it's a relatively simple conversion.

Watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60

Read these...
http://www.water-4-fuel.com/ (mostly a hokie sales pitch, but it gives you some basic fundamentals)
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33570/118/


Let me make this perfectly clear...this is by no means new technology. People have "invented" this process several times over the last three decades. People have been bought out and/or disappeared off the face of the Earth. One was even murdered in the parking lot of a diner where he was to have a meeting with representative of the US federal govt. I just did a quick Google to find the links I posted. There is much more in depth information available.

[elixir]

The information you have (and what most others are made to believe) couldn't be any further from the truth. No storage of hydrogen is needed. Hydrogen on demand systems convert water to HHO onboard. No high pressure (explosive) tanks or hydrogen fueling staions required. HHO and HHO/gasoline hybrids are quite cost effective and it's a relatively simple conversion.

Watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60

Read these...
www.water-4-fuel.com (http://www.lxforums.com/board/www.water-4-fuel.com) (mostly a hokie sales pitch, but it gives you some basic fundamentals)
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33570/118/


Let me make this perfectly clear...this is by no means new technology. People have "invented" this process several times over the last three decades. People have been bought out and/or disappeared off the face of the Earth. One was even murdered in the parking lot of a diner where he was to have a meeting with representative of the US federal govt. I just did a quick Google to find the links I posted. There is much more in depth information available.

The video is very interesting. I had not seen that before. I wonder, though, how much electricity is required for the electrolysis? I wonder if more energy can be extracted than is put in to produce the HHO?

I couldn't get the second link to work.

[stitchmonkey]

You know they can make gas saving V8's and higher performance V6's. Hell, the four bangers have a lot more power than some V8's and V6's. Maybe they'll make bigger four cylinder engines to compensate.

My Uncle worked for Ford for umpteen+ years and always told me "they can make a car get 30+mpg by putting in a .15 cent part but won't, The more efficent engines run the less replacement parts and cars they sell in the future"

[stitchmonkey]

The information you have (and what most others are made to believe) couldn't be any further from the truth. No storage of hydrogen is needed. Hydrogen on demand systems convert water to HHO onboard. No high pressure (explosive) tanks or hydrogen fueling staions required. HHO and HHO/gasoline hybrids are quite cost effective and it's a relatively simple conversion.

Watch this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9iWaCMbw60

Read these...
www.water-4-fuel.com (http://www.lxforums.com/board/www.water-4-fuel.com) (mostly a hokie sales pitch, but it gives you some basic fundamentals)
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33570/118/


Let me make this perfectly clear...this is by no means new technology. People have "invented" this process several times over the last three decades. People have been bought out and/or disappeared off the face of the Earth. One was even murdered in the parking lot of a diner where he was to have a meeting with representative of the US federal govt. I just did a quick Google to find the links I posted. There is much more in depth information available.

In 1970s I watched a Gremlin run on water, this system was created by UCLA students then quickly disapeared. The EPA has a rule about pesticides if something is used to kill bugs it's a pesticide and must be labeled and regulated, Salt, Sugar, Sand, and now Orange oil can be used. they aren't approved methods because they won't be sold as food stuffs anymore, I think the same with water. We wouldn't be able to drink it any more if it was fuel?

[moonstreaker]

The video is very interesting. I had not seen that before. I wonder, though, how much electricity is required for the electrolysis? I wonder if more energy can be extracted than is put in to produce the HHO?

I couldn't get the second link to work.Most people haven't seen that video. I believe the gentlemen in that video sold out to GM. Very little...your car battery produces enough juice.

fixed link...

http://www.water-4-fuel.com/

In 1970s I watched a Gremlin run on water, this system was created by UCLA students then quickly disapeared.Correct. Their version was similar to the design of the person I mentioned who was murdered in the diner parking lot. There were quite a few variations that disappeared in the mid to late 70's, some along with their designer.

[elixir]

Most people haven't seen that video. I believe the gentlemen in that video sold out to GM. Very little...your car battery produces enough juice.

fixed link...

http://www.water-4-fuel.com/



Ok, I checked out this link. I am sorry, but on this one, I am a little skeptical. For one thing this device does not replace gasoline it only serves as an additive. Second, the site provides no objective evidence (data) that the device improves engine power or mileage. The product being promoted on this site reminds me too much of the "fuel line magnets" and "turbonator" snake-oil devices.

If someone can provide data or a scientific rationale that demonstrates that this device does, in fact, work, then I will cede my position of skepticism.

[done]

Most people haven't seen that video. I believe the gentlemen in that video sold out to GM. Very little...your car battery produces enough juice.

fixed link...

http://www.water-4-fuel.com/

Correct. Their version was similar to the design of the person I mentioned who was murdered in the diner parking lot. There were quite a few variations that disappeared in the mid to late 70's, some along with their designer.


I call BS. However, I could be wrong. Send this guy the $97 he wants and put this device on your car. Have some other forum member verify the claims and I will give you the $97 to cover your costs. You get it all free. What do you think sport?

[Arch Stanton]

i agree we need to cut down..but what are they gonna do take our cars...or stop selling gas. lol

also, why is it that chevy is the only one making flex fuel cars...if i remember correctly coverting a car to use different fuel isnt that expensive. where is the universal kit

where is the universal kit...
Chevy (GM) is the only one with flex fuel cars because when the government mandated alternatives and better fuel economy standards, they sat on their fat butts and did nothing. While the other car makers worked on electric, hybrid, fuel cell technology and the like GM didn't really develop much of anything. So, the easiest way to comply was to add a few components so that their vehicles would be able to also run on (the more expensive) E85 and they're suddenly "green". Brilliant.

[CURLY]

WOW, thats depressing

[nigbot4000]

This whole "green" deal is, for the most part, a croc of poo.

Hybrids are great until the car becomes worthless and you have the deal with the old batteries that will cost a good amount to dispose of properly. Of course, most people will just dump them some place and that will be really be great for the environment.

Ethanol in the US is garbage too. The only good it does it help the farmers who grow corn. With corn ethanol it takes almost as much energy to make it as you get out of it. All you are doing is taking one unit of coal energy to make a unit of ethanol energy. Now, in South America they use sugar cane and they get like 10 units to 1, now that makes some sense.

When you boil it all down it comes to fact that big business will use it's power to keep making money. If there would be more money in it for them for cars to run on water, they would.

When you think about it, the internal combustion engine is a 100 year old technology. Granted, there have been a lot of improvements but it is still pretty much the same concept. How many items around you now were even around 100 years ago and are still pretty much the same as they were then? We need some new thinking about how to make vehicles move about in an efficient manner. As soon as someone finds a way to do it and get paid they will, unless of course they get stopped by other with big money who do not want to lose it.

Wu Tang was right all along: Cash Rules Everything Around Me, C.R.E.A.M. get the money, dolla dolla bill y'all

[DeathMetal]

Greed will always be the biggest hindrance of technology.

I will be sad when the internal combustion engine becomes obsolete though, if done within my lifetime. Nothing sounds as good as a V8. Everyone will be buzzing around in their electric cars and all sound the same. We will have to buy those ricey v8 engine sound emulators that play through your speakers.

[GEN XER]

Greed will always be the biggest hindrance of technology.

I will be sad when the internal combustion engine becomes obsolete though, if done within my lifetime. Nothing sounds as good as a V8. Everyone will be buzzing around in their electric cars and all sound the same. We will have to buy those ricey v8 engine sound emulators that play through your speakers.

Hopefully I wont see that world. I hope thats 100 years away, we'll all be gone and our great great grandkids will have to deal with that.

[Arch Stanton]

Greed is much more of an innovator than it is any hindrance.

If there's a better, more efficient way to do something and make money off of it then someone will find it.

I always get a kick out of the conspiracy theories. In the 70's it was an alleged 100mpg carbeurator that they supposedly "kept off the market". Until the last year or so gas prices prices have been relatively cheap and (for the most part) pretty stable. I'm surprised the big bad oil companies didn't discover they could make so much money before now. I bet they're kicking themselves for keeping their product so cheap for so long. Especially now that we are having to import so much of our energy rather than exporting it like we used to.

[DarthMuffin]

If you want to blame someone for all the V8 hatred yell at your neighbor driving the SUV. These 12-14 mpg hogs have all been snuck through the unregulated light truck loophole for the past decade. I understand why the environmentalists are pissed.

+1, you got it on the nose. "Truck loophole", I like that. With all the new "crossovers" coming out all they're doing is taking a car and raising it another inch off the ground so that they don't need to meet CAFE standards for cars.

Now, if you want to drive a big monster "SUV" then that's fine but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Since these are classified as Light Trucks for CAFE purposes they should also be classified the same when it comes to paying for your tabs, insurance, requiring a CDL, and restrictions on where you can drive them (many neighborhoods prohibit "trucks", have fun getting home). You get one guess as to what most of our legislators drive and which neighborhoods they live in...

As for Hydrogen, not viable now. There's not a cheap way to make it and the energy density sucks. If we get something like fusion reactors worked out so that we have unlimited cheap, clean electricity then making hydrogen will be viable.

Personally I do hope that they work out an alternative technology for cars. That will stabilize gas prices, hopefully at not much more than today, and I'll still be able to drive my V8 among all the jetsons cars.

[hmk123]

For me the perfect solution would be this: someone comes out with a REAL SMART car: costs less than $7000, is ultra light yet safe and gets 50mpg (city and highway). Then I would buy that and use it for my daily commute and drive my HEMI to the levy on a sunny weekend. Good for the environment and good for the HEMI cause I will get to enjoy it even longer and appreciate it so much more every time I get in it. Salad all week and a real good American steak on the weekend :-) How is that for a diet?

[GEN XER]

For me the perfect solution would be this: someone comes out with a REAL SMART car: costs less than $7000, is ultra light yet safe and gets 50mpg (city and highway). Then I would buy that and use it for my daily commute and drive my HEMI to the levy on a sunny weekend. Good for the environment and good for the HEMI cause I will get to enjoy it even longer and appreciate it so much more every time I get in it. Salad all week and a real good American steak on the weekend :-) How is that for a diet?


I could go for that.

[DeathMetal]

Bah, I didn't buy this car to drive it only on the weekends! :)

[hmk123]

Bah, I didn't buy this car to drive it only on the weekends! :)
I hear you... but then again these days I usually drive my mother-in-law's Oldsmobile to work to keep the miles low on the Magnum. This week I had to use it as a commuter car and I just hate piling up the miles on it. Especially when you sit in traffic. Ok, it's nice and comfy inside. But what good does me my Hemi if traffic is going at 20mph. And when it is stop and go you always risk someone hitting you. I rather take her out for the nice fun drives on the weekend. Of course, if your commute is different then it is a different story.

[DeathMetal]

Heh, my commute to work takes all of 5 minutes.

[PeterG]

So then how long will the new camaro and challenger last?

[GEN XER]

So then how long will the new camaro and challenger last?


GM has already decided to make mostly V6s. Chrysler probably wont be around much longer no matter what they do.

[The Unabomber]

GM has already decided to make mostly V6s. Chrysler probably wont be around much longer no matter what they do.


Chrysler won't go anywhere nor will GM etc. The feds wouldn't let it happen.